ET! Throwback: From Wrestling Rings to Monster Films: Joey Thurman's Journey in the Spotlight

0:06ShareMitch:and we're live feel free to clap once that's right.

0:16ShareHayden:I'm the number one audience, number one fan that tells me what I do wrong every episode. Hello, welcome to Entertain this, a podcast about movies, tv shows and video games. My name is Hayden. With me, I have Mitch.

0:30ShareMitch:Hello.

0:31ShareHayden:And Susan, I mean Tom , I hate you. And our special guest speaker, joey Thurman. Wow, formidable actor. He's been in great movies such as Drinking Water.

0:45ShareTom:Was I supposed to plug that?

0:46ShareHayden:I'm sorry, that was your moment to plug, I realize, but thank you. He was one of our first guest speakers in the early days when we had crappy audio and we were in Mitch's basement.

0:58ShareTom:This is a whole different day out here. So we've grown. We've got a panel, we've got a live audience. It's growing.

1:02ShareHayden:Thank you, thanks for showing up. So we've grown, we've got a panel, we've got a live audience . It's growing. Thank you, thanks for showing up. What's going to happen is we're going to let Joey kind of talk about himself, which will take probably about an hour and a half, which he enjoys greatly. And then, shortly after, we're going to ask him some questions and give the audience some chances to ask him some questions. Ask him some questions and give the audience some chances to ask him some questions, and we'll have the opportunity to raffle off these wonderful prizes that we've accumulated over there.

1:32ShareMitch:Um so, and we can do that by if you ask a question you get raffle ticket.

1:38ShareHayden:It's called forced participation I hope you enjoy it so. Yeah right, there you go. All right, well, let's start. Mr Joey Thurman, thank you for showing up.

1:49ShareTom:It's my pleasure. Thank you guys for having me back. What exactly do you do? I do a lot of things. I'm now a producer and director , but I'm also a full-time actor . I mean look at that face, yeah, and that shirt, yeah. Yeah, right, it's just oozing, that's right so what's some? uh, what's some films you've been on uh, the most recent film that um has premiered we actually just premiered in europe uh, it's called son of the south. It was a spike lee Lee movie about the Freedom Riders which actually yesterday was the anniversary of the Freedom Riders where a group of folks boarded buses in Washington DC and then basically made a tour through the southeastern United States and it culminated with a I hate to say, a showdown, but

2:39ShareTom:that was where the kind of the finale of it was, in Montgomery Alabama, but that was where kind of the finale of it was in Montgomery Alabama. And so I got to work with just some fantastic folks on that film. Lucas Teal who was MacGyver forever. Also, I got to work with Cedric the Entertainer, Lucy Hale, Jake Abel it was actually Brian Dennehy's last film, which was a true honor to be able to be a part of that. We won the best ensemble cast from the con film festival and we also won film of the year at con as well sweet, yeah, going places, yeah, um, that's so.

3:18ShareHayden:You've done some sort of sort of social kind of period pieces, uh, you know, and you've done some sort of like um, indie dramas I saw giants being lonely and some other things um, but you've also, when you're up and coming, you've done some background and been on some big time uh, marvel movies and things in the past.

3:37ShareTom:You got any commentary about that? Uh, no, because marvel can pull those, pull that footage at any time and I'm hoping that they're going to. But no, you know, somebody asked me just the other day about working background and things like that, and that was my very first role was a background actor. I had no intention of being an actor at all and I had the opportunity to be on Remember the Titans a million years ago. I had the opportunity to be on Remember the Titans a million years ago, but I truly believe that it would benefit the industry as a whole if everybody had to do that role. Yeah, for just a little while. Just because you learn so much. You learn a lot about what you don't want to do.

4:19ShareTom:You learn about how production's what really works well, and I've been able to use that, thankfully. Learn about how production's what really works well, and I've been able to use that, thankfully. You also learn how to gauge how good a production's going to be based on the food truck that's parked outside when you pull up to set, which is a unique ability. But no, I've done background for probably a year and a half 18 months and then just started migrating into supporting roles and now lead roles and major supporting as well.

4:47ShareHayden:I agree. I think that if you want to see a weird kind of different side of Americana, you should just work just being on a film set for one day.

4:56ShareTom:It's a wild experience.

4:58ShareHayden:You want to see money , just light on fire.

5:00ShareTom:Yeah, absolutely Exactly yeah.

5:02ShareHayden:All right, well, let's get into some fun stuff. So, mitch, did you have that coin?

5:08ShareMitch:No, okay, well, all right, great job, we're going to play a game called not flipping a coin. Next question. It's called easy question hard question or guest question.

5:17ShareHayden:Okay, and remember guests, if you ask a question, all seven, eight, maybe nine. Yeah, there we go. We've got some people walking in. Hey, come on in, come on in, they're giving stuff away.

5:28ShareTom:That's right.

5:29ShareHayden:Now's the time. Look at that Lego Infinity Gauntlet Isn't that cool? Or Captain America's shield? Yeah, we're not trying to bribe you at all. But, if you guys ask a question , you get a raffle ticket and then at the end we'll raffle off our prizes At the end of the day. At the end of the day.

5:48ShareMitch:And I don't think you guys should. We'll make sure you get them if you're signed up.

5:50ShareTom:You shouldn't beat yourself up too bad guys. I mean, we're recording this at 5.53 in the morning.

5:58ShareHayden:All right, let's start off with an easy question what's the cool tech scene you would describe?

6:09ShareTom:that you've seen mr thurman like uh, as far as car crashes, explosions, anything on film that you've seen the coolest technical scene, cgi or none well, I guess what was cool to experience from your side of the camera I think one of the coolest things to experience is and I I don't even know what the the correct term of it is. I know that there's a technical term of it where they, they basically 3d image your body. Uh, they, they, they take an image of you and they can put you anywhere in the movie that they want, at any time that they want, which, um, my agent seems to believe is something that needs to be addressed in future contracts. Yeah, there's actually a lot of legislature being written about

6:55ShareTom:that kind of stuff right now, because basically you know, used to your contracts and things they said you know about film or radio or whatever, but now that was before even digital, that was before even dvds and things like that. So now you know it just opens up a whole new world. So I I would say probably the coolest one that I've been a part of is when, um, when goran came up out of the ice in the antarctic scene and electrocuted all of us Was it. Godzilla.

7:28ShareHayden:Godzilla with King of the Monsters. Yeah, how was it working with Godzilla?

7:33ShareTom:He was a little standoffish. I thought he would be. Is he as?

7:36ShareHayden:big as he looks on camera. It adds a little. It adds a little.

7:39ShareTom:I was surprised that he was a little shorter than I was, but you know, it's the hair . You just shoot him in the foreground and it looks great.

7:49ShareHayden:Okay. So why was that cool? Did they actually have breakaway platforms or something like that? They had nothing. No, it was just, they had absolutely nothing. He's coming out of the ice like that.

7:57ShareMitch:They're all dead, exactly, exactly.

8:05ShareTom:And what was awesome, because you're in a studio and the soundstage was massive and it was completely wrapped in green screen, except for what was on the ground. And so there was, you know, the fuselage of an osprey was sitting in there and all of these bivouac tents and all this kind of stuff is all set up and that's your set and it's a blizzard at the same time. So they've got all these huge fans going and they actually even had it cold in the sound stage, which was awesome.

8:31ShareHayden:That is cool, yeah, okay. Guest question Would anybody like a raffle ticket? But you have to ask anything about film, what it's like to be an actor, and you get a chance to win one of these very precious items in front of us. How do you build?

8:50ShareTom:that up, so nice yeah .

8:53ShareHayden:Anybody, Can I have a try? Absolutely go ahead.

8:55ShareTom:Who's your favorite actor?

9:00ShareHayden:Ooh, that's one of my questions.

9:01ShareTom:Probably be, probably Sam Rockwell, just because I feel like on that day or on those days, on that period of time in that film, I had an opportunity I try to learn every day anyway, but I had a really, really good opportunity to just observe and be side by side and work with Sam and he's fantastic and just to watch his different methods of how he does things. I've been able to employ that several times on different roles that I've done so and as far as just being a regular just this is who I am, everybody's welcome Just a really open guy, probably Sam, either Sam or Jeffrey Dean Morgan, one of those two, because both of them were almost the same. They were just, you know, there was no big me, little you or

9:57ShareTom:any of that stuff.

9:58ShareHayden:Yeah, the best of enemies.

10:00ShareTom:Yeah, the best of enemies was with Sam and that had Taraji Henson and a host of other people that were just huge stars, you'll know.

10:08ShareHayden:Sam Rockwell from like the Green Mile. He was the crazy guy, the white dude, in that one.

10:13ShareTom:Yeah, yeah.

10:15ShareHayden:What was his name? Billy Billy, something Crazy.

10:18ShareTom:Billy or something. He was the one that killed the mouse. He was the bad guy that was in the Green Mile yeah. That's right yes that's right.

10:29ShareHayden:Yep, the Iron man 2. I saw another hand go up. Absolutely go ahead. Say again.

10:40ShareTom:Oh, the favorite movie to be on? Yeah, oh, the favorite movie to be on. You know, I don't know, it's hard to pick one because I think that they're all and this is going to sound like the generic textbook answer. They're all fun to be a part of . Any day on set, I think is awesome because you're having the opportunity to create and you're there with a million other artists who are doing the same thing. My favorite movie to be on Wow.

11:13ShareHayden:Yeah, it's like. Which one is your favorite child?

11:15ShareTom:Yeah, yeah, it really is. Oh, that one.

11:19ShareHayden:Wow, what a great parent, just because he's bigger .

11:27ShareTom:I will say this there's a film that is set to come out, hopefully later this year. That's called the Marks, and that was definitely one of my favorites, and I think it's just because of the role I get to play like a kind of a used up up , washed up um 90s pro wrestler isn't that like your actual?

11:50ShareHayden:biography. Is this a true story?

11:55ShareTom:let me tell you this, for all all seriousness, I was able to pull from such a magnificent bag of knowledge and contribute from other characters and other people that I knew to that character but it's called the marks and that's . That's definitely one of my favorite, just because I had so many friends and it was a comedy and it was, it was just fun.

12:17ShareHayden:Yeah, because he was in wrestling at some point, right?

12:21ShareTom:Yeah, I was, I was. I was a pro wrestler for WCW for four years.

12:25ShareHayden:So there's more questions for you wrestling nerds.

12:29ShareMitch:So speaking of that, one of my questions I was going to ask you is what was the the funniest thing that happened to you while in the ring?

12:35ShareTom:oh um probably one night. Uh, we were on this tour and, um, the way it works is, you would stop and you would eat, you work at a town and then you shower and everybody when you're in indie stuff, everybody piles into one or two vans and they take you off to the next town. Did we talk about this? The last episode? Yeah, but you know.

13:00ShareMitch:That was two years ago.

13:01ShareTom:Everything's forgotten. I was just going to say that that one jumps out the most because basically, what happened was I got food poisoning at the restaurant and the next day I was in no shape to work. But you worked, I did work, I did work and I ended up having a couple of opportunities where I would have to tell the guy to throw me under the ring so that I could crawl under the ring. Were you wearing a diaper under your leotard? I was not I was not, and it wasn't nice when they had to tear down the show afterwards, I'm sure. But where are you going to go, man? You've got 6,000 people in an arena and you're 60 yards from the bathroom.

13:41ShareMitch:Why are you going under the stage? You've got to do it. You, 60 yards from the bathroom . Why is he going under the stage ? You got to do it. You got to do what you got to do. He's looking for a weapon.

13:46ShareHayden:That's all All right. Tom ask a hard question, oh a hard question, yeah. Perhaps if I can see here, all right, I'll go with this one.

13:56ShareMitch:You can read Does fame and fortune have a toxic factor on people's mental health ?

14:01ShareHayden:Amber Heard Is mental health. Amber Heard, is that to me? Are you asking me?

14:04ShareTom:It absolutely can, absolutely.

14:06ShareHayden:Has it on you.

14:07ShareTom:Absolutely, it has.

14:10ShareHayden:Look out where I'm at . No, no, no, I'm just joking. When you were first on the episode, you were like, hey, I'm Joey, now you're like give me something to drink.

14:18ShareTom:It absolutely can, and I think that that's obvious from. Unfortunately, I feel like everybody wants to keep that artist or that person happy, so they never tell them no and over a period of time, they start believing that everything that they do or think or say is correct. And nobody has that. Nobody that's out here walking on this planet has that. So and it goes along, I think, with everybody. Because you know, I've read stories of, like Elvis Presley, even you know, when he got closer to the end of his life, where he just he honestly thought that he was a true gift. He thought that he was a little better than you know, and I don't want to say better, but he felt that he was different and that's just not true.

15:15ShareTom:I I think that one of the best pieces of advice that I ever got and I and I feel like that's what's good with me starting in wrestling when I was so young was that I had people around me that told me from the very start don't ever believe what anybody says or writes about you. Right, when you start believing your own pr, that's when you're headed down the wrong way, I mean, that's just like social media 101 anyways, everything, yes, absolutely.

15:37ShareMitch:Social media wasn't a thing back then.

15:39ShareHayden:That's true. It wasn't Social media was more social.

15:42ShareMitch:You actually had to talk to people.

15:44ShareHayden:Yes, yes, All right. Well, that was a good answer.

15:49ShareTom:Thanks, I'll pay you later.

15:49ShareHayden:All right, let's go back to an easy question. What's the longest project you've ever had to work on? It took forever.

15:58ShareMitch:Well.

15:59ShareHayden:You mean to actually made it to distribution, or let's just do actual production, like what was a set that you were on that just took forever. What's that like just living that life for so?

16:13ShareTom:long. I don't want to say the name of a production, because I don't want to.

16:19ShareMitch:Influence yeah.

16:21ShareTom:It's not really influence, but there's so many people that are involved with a production that just because one team doesn't hold it together, it could absolutely make others look tragic. I was actually on set last week and was a guy. We were talking about this and there was one particular set that I was supposed to be on for six days on this movie and when I arrived they were on day 14 of production. They were on day four of the script of the shoot schedule.

16:56ShareHayden:Oh, so they were 10 days behind. 14 days.

16:59ShareTom:Yeah, it's usually a day, yeah and and you're talking about a tremendous amount of money being spent. Wow, you know, but but it was.

17:07ShareHayden:It was a combination of a lot of things that's gonna do a lot to like morale as far as like your, your people involved, like like tv really blows my mind. Like walking dead or whatever. Where they will, they will shoot for two-thirds of the year , you know, or something like that, and that's just their life and right, they just seem okay with it and they're not making as much as these like a-listers that shoot a movie for a month and then they're, they're done for the next three years, right, you know, I, I just don't understand how people can do that gypsy life, but you know well, it's a matter of and you and I, I think, know this it's a matter of having leadership to to not only move things along, but just in general.

17:51ShareTom:you know, um, when, when I was on Valor, the TV show on the CW, we shot a whole season and we would shoot an episode a week.

18:00ShareHayden:Yeah.

18:01ShareTom:It was a schedule, that's what we'd done. That was just the way it was. We shot an episode every week and we started six weeks, seven weeks before it actually went to air. So you know, you had that buffer zone of six to seven weeks before it actually went to air. Right, so you know you were, you had that buffer zone of six to seven weeks that way, if some of your principal cast got sick or something happened, then they could be away and it wouldn't, it wouldn't just kill you trying to get to network, right. Um, but this particular production, you know, I mean it turned six days into, it was something like 18 days on set. So my agent loved it because, yeah, you know, made some money, yeah, she went up two-thirds.

18:41ShareHayden:So, um, and, by the way, any guests, uh, any audience members, if you guys have any questions, just stick your hand up at any point. We'll call you out and get a ticket, so, or whatever, mitch's you get a ticket, whatever mitch's little process over there. I left my ticket book in my car , I'm sorry so, um, all right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask you a hard question do you think tv is killing cinema? Oh no, you don't think so absolutely not.

19:08ShareTom:You think you think cinema will always be around well, when I start, when I think about cinema, are you talking about going to the? Theater, film and theater because there's just absolutely some film that you do not want to see on a small screen. Okay, there's just some film that you, that you just absolutely want to be in the middle of that, of that huge room, in front of that huge screen and be surrounded by the, everything, the sound, and you want it to just bury yourself into okay.

19:36ShareMitch:Hence the reason I went and saw batman three times in three days. Yes, wow, because you have an obsession.

19:42ShareHayden:Wow, so, um, but. But so you think that that will always like. There's not this, like lazier, newer generation of uh uh, people that just don't want to get out of their house, don't want to get dressed up to go see a movie.

19:58ShareTom:People still get dressed up to go out of their house. Have you been to the grocery store lately? I don't.

20:04ShareHayden:Have you been to the Walmart in Panama City? Wow?

20:06ShareMitch:This is dressed up. That's it huh.

20:09ShareTom:But I mean you're fully clothed.

20:12ShareHayden:There's a difference. You're welcome.

20:13ShareTom:No, I don't think so I don't think that TV is going to kill cinema. I don't think that streaming is going to kill cinema. There's a lot of people that think that. I think that what it's actually doing is opening up a tremendous amount more for the consumer.

20:27ShareHayden:I feel like, yeah, I mean, we're consuming more media now than we ever have in our existence as human beings yeah, and, but there's also a ton of human beings and I think that people are well, I'm not trying to impose my opinion too much into the question, but like there's, there's definitely a lot more, uh, consumerism inside the house today than there has ever been outside. Sure wouldn't you say yes?

20:51ShareMitch:there's a lot more platforms also. That is true.

20:53ShareTom:There's a lot more platforms also. That is true, there's a lot more platforms, but one thing that we fail to see here in america is how film is consumed in other parts of the world. Um, you know, just because a lot of times we're the first ones to get it or the first ones to see it that's a really good point you know, like son of the south just premiered in europe and it's been, it's already ran its full gauntlet here. It's been available on streaming for you know, over a year now, right, but the fact that it was premiered in Europe and it's currently running in the theaters and people are going to watch it, even though they had access to it streaming, right.

21:31ShareHayden:Yeah, yeah, and some people like they're gonna put avatar, again in theaters, again .

21:36ShareMitch:That's like the fifth time.

21:37ShareHayden:Yes, yeah, because I think, uh, yeah, when the new one comes out, they're I think uh because it got beat out by uh endgame right again, I think they're gonna try and beat it so is that what they're gonna do now?

21:48ShareMitch:it's just like, oh, I my my movie made the most money . It's like, oh well, I'm gonna put mine back in theaters, even though it came out 20 years ago.

21:54ShareHayden:You know, whatever, you're both the best, you both get the most money award Congratulations. Okay, anybody got a question? Yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

22:11ShareTom:That I turned down and regretted later?

22:13ShareHayden:Yeah, the question was have you ever been offered a gig that you turned down?

22:16ShareTom:Yes, I've been offered several that I've turned down and then regretted no, okay.

22:22ShareHayden:So how much do you think about?

22:24ShareTom:There's been several that I have turned down and later knew without a doubt that I had made the right decision. That's for sure. But there's also been on the other side of that. There's been several that I have auditioned for and then when I watch it on screen, I think to myself really, that's what you went with. Yeah, really. And in fact, the last time that that happened, it was a TV miniseries and I actually pulled up my audition because my wife had no idea that we were watching it, that it's something that I had auditioned for and we watched it. And when it got to the point of that scene, I just paused it and I said I want you to watch something real quick and then let's watch what happens on screen.

23:10ShareTom:So I showed her the audition and then I hit play and she was like who thought that that was a better way to go than what was? And I was like, yeah, it happens. So I used to keep the sides that I auditioned for. Yeah, once it got to the stack, like, like this high, I mean realistically, sometimes 8, 12 a week. And what are you talking about? Auditions, you may be, I may do 8 or 12 auditions a week, wow, and then some weeks I may go for . I may go two weeks and I have anything, yeah, um, but at the same time, out of those 12 you may go 35, 40 and never even get a gig yeah, well, not even a callback yeah, that's okay too but and this is something that a lot of people don't realize the casting director and the director and we know this I want

24:11ShareTom:you to win. I'm looking for my guy. If I'm looking to direct something or if I want whoever pops up on screen or whoever comes in the audition room, that's who I want. I want them to get it, and sometimes it just doesn't fit and that's where I'm at as an actor is that if I don't fit, I don't want the job, because I don't want anybody to see me try to do something that I can't pull off.

24:38ShareHayden:If it's not believable.

24:39ShareTom:I don't want to do it .

24:40ShareHayden:If you're bad for the film, it's bad for everybody.

24:42ShareTom:Exactly, yeah, uh go ahead.

24:51ShareHayden:Have you ever accepted a gig and then realized you shouldn't have done that?

24:55ShareTom:Um.

24:55ShareHayden:I think everybody has . I think everybody has done that .

25:01ShareTom:I've took movies as a favor to some people and then watched the people that I was doing the favor for abandon the project. Yeah, in the middle of the project, in the middle of the project, and you're standing there like, okay, you brought me , and then you bailed. Yeah, middle of the project and you're standing there like, okay, you brought me, and then you bailed.

25:17ShareHayden:Yeah, that's bad. It is bad, it is bad.

25:20ShareTom:So you keep a couple of different lists in your world . You keep a list of those that you know that you can stick with and it's going to stick with you and you can trust, and you keep another list of those that you will never come close to sticking with again. That's just you know.

25:39ShareHayden:Wow, is this one of those?

25:41ShareTom:moments I think we're all learning together.

25:45ShareHayden:What was the feedback ? Yeah right, All right, I'm going to ask you a hard question .

25:50ShareMitch:We've got about 10 minutes left before we've got to start wrapping up.

25:53ShareHayden:Okay, what are you grilling them for? Wow, yeah, because the hard questions are fun. What's more important, money or art Money?

26:03ShareMitch:Art don't pay the bills.

26:04ShareHayden:That's why Tom's so rich. Look at all of his rich clothes and hair.

26:14ShareTom:I think that, to start with, you know, we have to have money to survive. We have to have that, and when we come to a point that we realize that what we provide is worth something, I'm going to answer the question, though.

26:36ShareMitch:What's more?

26:36ShareHayden:important Well this is like the film school 101 kind of question and this is going to sound so textbook and so artsy that it's ridiculous.

26:45ShareTom:But making something that you're proud of to me is the first thing. Right, because I've got to say it like this. There's been times when it's really easy to let the money part of it get in front. It really really is. It really really is. But at the end of the day, the truth of it is and I've used this analogy before. I may have used it the last time I was on with you guys, I don't know but if you come to a theater and you buy a ticket for $12, $15, whatever it is and you go in there and you sit down and you watch 90 Minutes and you came because I was in that film if we're outside and I stick a gun in your back and tell you, give me your $12, you're probably going to get $12 more bucks at some point in your life, right?

27:36ShareTom:But if I take that 90 minutes away from you, there's no way you're ever going to get that back right. So creating the art first is the most important thing, because I feel like that a lot of times, what we fail to realize as actors or filmmakers or producers, whatever we are that we're actually taking a portion of someone's life. If you trust me with 20 minutes , 5 minutes, 90 minutes, I owe it to you to deliver everything that I possibly could for that 90 minutes, because you can't get that back and that's a gift that you're giving to me. If I spend three months, two months a year, developing a role , building something, I've got to do my best because the people that are going to consume that are literally giving me a piece

28:26ShareTom:of their life.

28:27ShareHayden:That's a much better answer than Tom's.

28:32ShareTom:And that truly is the answer. But it really is very easy to get the other in front.

28:36ShareHayden:It really is. Yeah, well said, we've got time for one more. Yeah, go ahead. More, yeah, go ahead. So being behind a camera? Oh, okay. So being a part of a production for a movie how does that change your view on movies that you see every day?

29:11ShareTom:Okay, the answer to that is it makes you appreciate every person on set, because a good set, there's no one that's more important than anybody else the guy that's sweeping up after everybody's gone. We couldn't be there and do what we do if it wasn't for the guy that's going to come and clean the place up and get it ready for the next team to come in. So it really the first couple of times that you're on a big production Godzilla or Endgame or something like that it's a little bit overwhelming because there's so many people doing so many different things and they're doing them perfectly most of the time. Most of the time they truly are , because if they weren't, they wouldn't be at that level.

29:59ShareTom:So it's a little bit like wow, this is really happening. But on the other side, when you're watching it, you're like I can appreciate the fact that that one establishing shot took seven hours. Yeah, you know that. One nine eleven second shot yeah took seven hours to create it.

30:23ShareHayden:It really ups your level of appreciation tremendously yeah, what he's saying is like in some sets there will be a drag where you'll just get a guy walking through a door on camera but it takes him half the day to do that. You know, and you're like, why are we wasting all this time for something so mundane? But then when you see it in the final product, you know it all makes sense, kind of thing.

30:45ShareTom:So yeah, and not only only that, but it may have been . I mean, it was literally probably years in the planning. You know, you go into a, you go into a, into a soundstage, and there's nothing there. It's just an acre of building, that's all that's there, and somebody has to design it, somebody has to draw it, somebody has to approve it, somebody has to go in there and actually cut it and build it and put it together and then, okay, we've got that shot, we've got what we want. Okay, tear it all down and throw it away. It's all done. Yeah, and it goes away just that quick. It's amazing sometimes.

31:20ShareHayden:That was a good question.

31:22ShareTom:Give him two points for that.

31:23ShareHayden:Yeah, that's a very good question okay, I think we're about to wrap it up. Um, let's go ahead and let joey have the floor. Uh, you can talk about yourself . Uh, what's coming out? Some things that you can plug for our expansive audience and for the listeners on the internet.

31:41ShareTom:First off, I want to congratulate you guys, because you told me that when was I on with you guys?

31:45ShareHayden:last it's two years ago.

31:47ShareTom:Two years ago and you guys are over ten times the followers and listeners that you had there. Yeah, so that's tremendous guys .

31:56ShareMitch:You mean ten times zero.

31:58ShareTom:We're eight times a live audience. That's for sure that's fantastic. I mean, it really, really is, especially in a market that is it's saturated man. There's a ton, a ton of podcasts. So thank you guys for letting me come back and be with you. Thank you guys for coming out and sitting and watching and listening to the talking heads.

32:16ShareHayden:If you go back and listen to the episode that he guest starred on in our very, very early days, he's still like our top-listed episode, I think . I kid you not.

32:24ShareMitch:Was that episode?

32:26ShareHayden:six, but he's really funny. He's a comedian. He does some traveling comedian , droop things and stuff like that, so he's got that natural funny going for him, which I definitely don't have. So I appreciate that.

32:36ShareMitch:Thanks for sprucing it up.

32:37ShareHayden:Yep absolutely.

32:42ShareTom:Any projects coming out that you want to talk about or any other plugs? Yeah, I've got three feature films that come out later this year. One is the Marks that I was talking about earlier. One is called the Skeleton's Compass, which is a fantastic family film. It was shot between actually between the Duluth area and Dahlonega Okay, which is Dahlonega's beautiful yeah, it's a really, really great story. It's kind of a Jumanji Goonies kind of feel, yeah, that's coming out. Scott Free is a film with Columbus Short and Felicia Pearson from the Wire. Okay, that's set to come out. I think it just done a run at the Malibu Film Festival, I think Okay. So yeah, I've got those three and there's probably something

33:21ShareTom:that I'm forgetting.

33:23ShareHayden:On any streaming service, probably Amazon or something like that right.

33:27ShareTom:Yes, no, those are supposed to be going theater. Oh yeah, those are supposed to be theatrical releases, congratulations. Yeah, thank you.

33:35ShareHayden:Fancy, fancy, thank you.

33:38ShareMitch:Now I have five questions that I was going to ask the audience. If you can answer them, you get another free raffle.

33:44ShareHayden:Okay, let's do it. Nice Trivia, yes, trivia. Trivia for the audience Number one.

33:51ShareMitch:In what comic issue was Batman's first appearance?

33:56ShareHayden:Go ahead guy, the first one.

34:02ShareTom:Is that what you said ?

34:03ShareMitch:Take a point away from him. Where's the Declaration of?

34:06ShareTom:Independence signed At the bottom. I've got to defend this guy, because Mitch's question was what was the first edition that he appeared in? Well, it was the first one.

34:18ShareHayden:There you go, the first one he's in.

34:19ShareTom:Double the points.

34:21ShareHayden:When was America founded? On Independence Day.

34:25ShareMitch:On Detective Comics number 27. Number two Superman's first appearance came in Action Comics number one. In what year? We almost got a hand in it A head scratch yeah.

34:38ShareHayden:It's not like you only get one shot. You should listen to our trivia . We're just screaming at each other until we get it. Come on, give them a decade, 30s.

34:52ShareMitch:We'll give it to you Okay. We've got to get the Jeopardy song playing at some point. Awesome.

34:57ShareTom:You know? I should really know that. Yeah, you were there. Oh, you're killing me. I should really know that because I own all of the Superman radio shows.

35:06ShareHayden:Oh yeah, that's right . Yeah, yeah, I should know that.

35:09ShareMitch:Number three, who was part of the first team of X-Men , mm-hmm Go ahead.

35:18ShareHayden:Beast Cyclops, no Wolverine. I mean, how about you just give a point for each one? That get right. What school are you going to Are?

35:37ShareMitch:you going to the gifted school.

35:39ShareHayden:Gifted for Extraordinary Children.

35:41ShareTom:Yeah, xavier School yeah, must not be, because you only got two.

35:47ShareMitch:There's four more that are part of the team.

35:52ShareHayden:Nope, right, that's one is Jean Grey in there?

36:00ShareMitch:that's Jean Grey, marvel girl. What that's?

36:02ShareHayden:a thing.

36:03ShareMitch:I'm not.

36:03ShareHayden:I'm not a huge comic book nerd. If you got it, shout it out. You guys can start fighting each other and stuff. We condone it. Marvel's Earl oh what?

36:06ShareMitch:That's a thing I'm not a huge comic book nerd.

36:07ShareHayden:If you got it, shout it out. You guys can start fighting each other and stuff. We condone it. Draw a circle in the dirt. Yeah, we got chairs. What you got, what I can't hear you, man Rogue.

36:19ShareMitch:No, yeah, go on. All these have been in the movies too here. All these have been in the movies too. Here's one. There's two more One's going to supposedly appear in Doctor Strange. That's one.

36:34ShareHayden:There you go. Professor X, what's with the sidebar? Just yell it out. Do you want these prizes or not ? I'll take them home, I swear.

36:46ShareMitch:There's one more left .

36:51ShareHayden:Colossus.

36:52ShareMitch:No, he was the second team. I can close this thing. Wow, yeah, he's one of them All right. Last one was Iceman.

37:02ShareHayden:Iceman, come on.

37:04ShareMitch:We'll give you both a spot in just a moment. Before he left and went to Top Gun school, number four. Doctor Strange's first appearance was in what comic series? Doctor Strange, the Strange Tales?

37:17ShareTom:I was going to say. The answer is in the question.

37:19ShareMitch:And then number five. In what unofficial comic series was the first appearance of the Ninja Turtles? It wasn't in Ninja Turtles, it was in another comic that they first cameoed.

37:29ShareHayden:Really.

37:31ShareMitch:They didn't have like a part, but they were advertised that this was considered their first cameo in a comic.

37:36ShareHayden:Huh, I didn't know that.

37:38ShareMitch:It was in I want to say it was like 1979 or something like that that they had this.

37:42ShareHayden:Was it Marvel?

37:43ShareMitch:No, I guess at the time it was Image. Maybe it was. Image it was another company.

37:50ShareHayden:Okay, all right. Nobody the gobbledygook I don't think anybody was going to get that one. Hey, you never know. Wow, clearly you beat up on our audience with these questions. Well, I was trying to make a video.

38:04ShareMitch:It's nice to see other people get grilled like you grilled me and him.

38:07ShareHayden:Mitch less stick and more carrot. Okay, let's try to keep it a little more pedestrian, all right? Well, hey, thanks so much for coming out.

38:14ShareMitch:That would be great. Yes, thank you.

38:15ShareHayden:We really appreciate the interaction you.

38:21ShareTom:Thank you guys so much for having me on.

38:23ShareHayden:We'll be around if you guys want to come by and hang out.

38:25ShareTom:I guess the check cleared, so that's why I'm here and if you want, raffle tickets after this point you've got to pay us money you just said, art was more important than money.

38:32ShareMitch:Hey, more important, we're still recording Joey. Oh, I'm sorry.

38:37ShareTom:Yes, art.

38:42ShareHayden:Art, by all means art . I can't pay my bills with. That's it for us, for this special Goodbye from Tom. Bye, tom Mitch, bye Me, hayden and Joey. See you, goodbye, bye, bye, bye . We try and keep it.