Clash of Titans: Debating Fantasy Battles Between Action Heroes and Superheroes ep 184

0:00ShareMitch: All right, ladies and gentlemen, because I enjoyed our action tournament that we had before. We're having a similar like Was it superhero slash? Low-level. Tom: Superhero. Ish, when I'm talking like Superman, caliber words. Mitch: Yeah, low-level superhero and like action hero kind of people like barely have powers, let's do it. Tom: I got Neil Braid. Mitch: He's gonna bore them to death I can't believe you killed yourself. You can hold eight things at one time. Tom: I have you all on conference call. He comes with 32 laptops. Wow. Mitch: Welcome to entertain this . We're having our own little semi-action hero slash superhero tournament because Mitch is making us. Tom: Yes, yes, I am.

0:57ShareMitch: I came up with 50 names and let them pick out of a random bag. So it'll be interesting to see how this goes, see who wins. Anyways, so the rules where no whatever, two of us are talking and debating our character. The third one is the judge. Hayden: So Tom goes first. Yes, who you fighting, tom? Tom: That the rom versus. Hayden: Which one of us you fight? Tom: Yeah, you can pick, I'll fight Mitch versus. Mitch no, I changed my mind. I will fight. Tom versus a fight to the death . Here do I roll. Does what is this rolling have to do with it? Mitch: Well, who's your first person? Tom: Darryl. Hayden: Dixon, who's yours, katniss Everdeen? Okay, they're both archers. Mitch: You're gonna roll to see where you're.

1:46ShareYou're fighting. Okay go ahead, make a roll 17 on the call of duty Russ map. Hayden: Okay, opening arguments. Mitch: Do I have to argue? I mean, Katniss Everdeen is pretty good archer yeah. Hayden: I feel like, given it's a bit of survivalist. They're both survivalist and post apocalyptic settings. This is kind of weird, but Katniss Everdeen has probably killed more humans then. Tom: No, darryl Dixon has survived the zombie apocalypse for how many seasons? He wasn't supposed to make it past season one. Here we are. Now he's got his own spin off. I got he's a crossbow guy, he's a hand-to-hand combat specialist. Hayden: So is Katniss Everdeen. Tom: He's killed people. He's far more ruthless. Hayden: Than Katniss Everdeen.

2:36ShareThe only thing that Katniss Everdeen has on Darryl Dixon is her inability to Win somebody over. Like sympathize make them think underestimator, and then, when they think that you know she's not a threat, she kills. Tom: Darryl's not gonna make the mistake of even bothering to over or underestimated. He's just gonna flat out killer . Mitch: That's the point. He's done it before on the show . Tom: He's kind of sympathetic towards females, yeah yeah, but isn't this a kill like to the death? And that's the only living person? And, as his opponent, what do you think he's gonna do? Hayden: Maybe she's like an innocent bystander or playing it off that she is, and then he like looks for somebody else and

3:13Sharethen he gets an arrow in his head. Mitch: No, he's gonna look for somebody else. Tom: They know it's 101 Darryl's also smarter than the show than most people ever give him credit for like engineering, like explosives traps, blowing up a so 50 plus bikers at once, because he can so is Katniss Everdeen. Hayden: It's Katniss Everdeen, whatever who cares Kat Kat Katniss with two S's. Tom: She never should have made it past the first movie. Hayden: She did, though, because she was underestimated. That's her, that's her great. No, it's because she had plot protection. She came from a low district, where he's poor as crap from Georgia. Yeah, he doesn't even know how to read yeah, he does, does he? Mitch: I'm sure he does, I don't know he eats squirrels.

3:54ShareHayden: That's poor. She eats like anything because they they've lived off of like like pine cones and stuff like that, so she's she's had to survive off of worse in the highly unlikely event, darryl doesn't just outright crossbow her and it becomes a hand-to-hand fight. Tom: Come on Well, that grown man is gonna beat the crap out of Jay Law. He is gonna be bouncing her face off of a metal beam while teeth go flying. Hayden: There's been grown men that have been super strong, that she was able to outsmart out, thank and kill him name one . The name one, the dude from Vikings. What's his name? Bjorn? Yeah, she killed him. Tom: Is she fighting Bjorn? Hayden: She's no, she's fighting Darryl Dixon who's who's less

4:40Shareformidable than Bjorn is? Tom: Yeah, that dude was swall. Darryl Dixon would run through the hunker games like it was cool. He's like this is just a Saturday in the apocalypse. I. Mitch: Have to say that they are in like on that rust map. So there's not a whole lot of hiding you can do. Hayden: Yeah. Mitch: I mean, I wouldn't say she'd be quicker as far as like getting around. Hayden: But she's like canceling , like crazy. Tom: Darryl could play the vertical game. Mitch: She'd be sliding around looking for him and he's just gonna put the arrow right. Hayden: She's a great climber from up top. That's it, that's one of her things. Tom: No, climbing wasn't listed among attributes. You're just making up crap.

5:19ShareHayden: We're trying to change the economy of the game by just saying my person's crap. Tom: They are. I Don't know we could beat up Katniss. Hayden: Okay then let's. Let's do it this way three successful books for movies, All right. The walking dead started off strong kind of Peter doubt, yeah but still happening. Tom: Yeah, got his own spin off, which is his own problem. Hayden: Got it's on. Probably should have stopped a long time, he's been what survived, like what 15 years? Yeah, so come on, katniss ever Dean look at that body of much more accomplished at finishing your story. She did it that much better because it's over and done with. Mitch: Actually no, they just started a whole new one.

5:59ShareHayden: Yeah, a prequel, that doesn't count, she's not even in it, she will be. Mitch: she'll be just getting bored. Hayden: No, I read the book. She's not in it. Tom: Oh, okay, there's. There was no such thing of. If Katniss dies, we riot. Hayden: Well, yeah, they actually did riot in the books I'm saying in real life Thank you for seeing reason. Tom: I tried she did get Katniss out of here. Bringing that BS to this table fool all right Now I get to be the judge. This is where Hayden becomes very, not part in partial you want to get to roll for the 20, 20 inside a home Depot. Mitch: Okay, I have Roshark or Roshak. Tom: Roshak Roshak, whatever his name. Road shark, road shark, land shark I Mean Darryl Dixon inside

6:54Shareof a home Depot. You might as well just give him carte blanche to build and smuggle whatever he wants to grab, to make traps and weapons out of anything and make it obnoxiously elaborate because it's a large place. Roshak's a superhero. He doesn't have soup. What movies he in Mitch? Mitch: the watchman. Tom: Does he have superpowers? Mitch: No, but he's really good at beating up people. He beats up a whole prison. Tom: Yeah, it does be yeah how many people's Darryl beating up? You tell me you're the Darrell expert like a lot hundreds, hundreds Killing zombies, beating up real people, killing real people, eating squirrels living off the land. He got shot in the head and didn't die. Mitch: I think we walked it off.

7:39ShareTom: Well, he's an insane little man. You're literally putting Darryl Dixon. Mitch: I mean, he's a guy that wears a mask that changes like the face thing. Tom: That is really cool. Hayden: He throws low-class Villains down elevator shafts and breaks their legs. Tom: There's no elevators in home Depot and he gets popped. Darryl could probably build an elevator. Hayden: I once saw Darrell fly to the moon. Pretty sure Darrell could beat up your dad I got a champion, my guy here. Mitch: Okay, all right Well. Hayden: He's dead, roshak's dead , back to you. All right, I got a Harley Quinn . Mitch: It's a vibe. Is there all the dice? Roll the dice because he were gonna be is Darrell gonna kill two women to a?

8:38ShareDojo full of martial arts weapons on the wall, and that's the only weapons they get is what's in the room. Hayden: I feel like Harley Quinn's more versed in random martial arts weapons than Darrell is. I Don't know, darrell does a lot of hand-to-hand combat stuff over years we can punch, but does he know how to use size and commas and all that crazy stuff ? Tom: chance. Sorry, he's going right for a sword. Hayden: Okay, the Harley Quinn's got a hammer, she's got all sorts of stuff. Tom: No, that's what's on the wall. Hammers aren't on the wall her bags at tricks. No, mitch said what's on the wall. Hayden: But also what the characters have with them. Mitch: In this one specifically, they only get what's like

9:10Sharemartial arts weapons on the wall . Hayden: Okay, even still, she's probably way more versed in all that stuff than Darrell Dixon is and she's super athletic and agile. She can do flips and stuff, so throwing ninja stars in his face and stuff. Tom: When, when do we see Harley Quinn do flips and stuff? Hayden: We talking about every time she's doing cartwheels and stuff. Tom: Is this like Harley Quinn cartoon or Harley Quinn movie? Mitch: movie live action. Tom: I'll remember, mark. I'll be doing flips. Mitch: Yeah, he's pretty acrobatic. Hayden: Yeah, he's like strangling people with their legs and whatnot. It's pretty hot yeah. Tom: Mitchell, defer to you that I. Mitch: Mean, I can't argue for you I.

9:50ShareHayden: Feel like I've made my point. She's she knows martial arts with all the weapons. She's super agile. Dojo is like the perfect fighting setting for that situation. Darrell is resourceful, durable and violent in the east squirrels and you can build an elevator also stronger. I Mean she choked out the crocodile guy. Yeah. Tom: Darrell never got a chance to choke out a crocodile guy because he's been beat up by anybody. Hayden: Every time he's kicked somebody's butt and walking dead , he's had that his butt kicked by somebody else. Tom: He's a humble man. Hayden: Okay, then he's gonna try and murder a second woman. Tom: Stop making this about murdering women. Hayden: I have all the women.

10:29ShareAll right, it's all about female empowerment. So what's? Mitch: your misogynistic PS, get out of here, I have to give this one to Harley Quinn. Hey hey, she's far more skilled in Hand-hand combat, even though Darrell's rugged. Hayden: Yeah, he squirrels. Tom: He does eat squirrels. Hayden: Darrell dead. Moving on, you had that All right, mitch. What do you got? Dean Winchester 18. Mitch: The original og gulag in warzone. Hayden: Okay, I. Mitch: Mean. So it's Dean basically has a pistol she has what a hammer. And her and her other pistol from suicide squad. Yeah, oh, I. Hayden: Feel like all I remember from the og gulag is how fast people can move around. Tom: All right, like you're looking one way, and then

11:26Sharethey're behind you does Dean have the rabbit's foot, so he's not Batman. Mitch: Yeah, he's got like a knife and is a gun and rock salt . Hayden: So I feel like he's. Mitch: He's Accurate enough shooting. You can take her out from a distance, yeah if it was straight on. Hayden: But she's not that dumb and we all remember the gulag. Tom: You can sneak around and get behind now she's gonna flash him and he's just gonna forget what's going on, and then he's gonna get shot in the face. Hayden: Hey, he's gonna be like he acts act. That's actually a perfect point . Like, dean is always terrible when it comes to fighting women and he'll totally be distracted by how hot she is and she's gonna use that to her advantage to kill.

12:08ShareAnd Dean's always been like you know, that's his weakness whenever he confronts a hot enemy, he always ends up getting tied up with a concussion somewhere. Tom: And waiting on. Hayden: Sammy to come early. Sammy save him. Yeah, do you agree? Tom: I'm just saying it is a character flaw Of Dean Winchester scratch him out, dean , now. Dean was fighting like Darrell, I'd be like. Hayden: All right, what you got, tom. Tom: Indiana Jones snap, he will slap. Hayden: New York sewers okay in the sewers of New York Indiana well, I Probably Quinn's been in the sewers and fought things like the crocodile guy. Tom: You know Indiana Jones has survived exploding flaming sewers in Venice. Hayden: She likes snakes, probably Quinn does and any of

13:06ShareJones does there's not snakes in the sewer in New York. Well, maybe she brought her thing with it. Tom: I doubt she. You don't provide your own snakes. What? Hayden: if she knows that it's Indiana Jones, because that's yeah, it was a BYOS fight. Tom: Bring your own snakes, indiana Jones. She throw it on him. And why is? Like any of Jones is obnoxiously smart will hit women . Yeah. Mitch: Not afraid at all. Hayden: That's his problem. Tom: He's be canceled ridiculously resourceful and intelligent, especially on the fly. How many times have you watched Indy have to overpower an opponent that's beaten the crap out of him and he figures out a way. Hayden: All right, so every time is a guy gun on a whip?

13:46ShareTom: Yeah, okay so, so what? He's gonna whip the hammer thing out of her hand. He's just gonna shoot her, like he did the samurai with his six shooter. Hayden: So he's got a hit. Tom: He's got a hitter once yeah . Hayden: But if he misses his six shots, she doesn't have a how many times? You watch Indy miss. He misses a couple times. It's it's a 90s movie. They miss a lot. Tom: He shoots 12 times with his revolver before he reloads hey, he didn't miss that samurai guy swinging the sword around now because he had the flu. Look, the circumstances don't matter, it's Indiana Jones. Hayden: I think that if we're Encounting suspension of disbelief and how ridiculous how the coin is in comparison and

14:25Shareyou Indy's just gonna shoot her. Unless you can dodge the bullets, like she has, a sewer, it's not like a wide open space, it's tiny. She's been in worse situations against more dangerous people and taking them out. She's a powerhouse when it comes to villains, and in the powerhouse of good guys she's even defeated the Joker. Tom: How many times does this guy beat the Nazis? Hayden: Good, you know what? I'm sure Holly Quinn is beating a Nazi at some point. Tom: Indy's drank from the Holy Grail. Hayden: Yeah, but he's old. Tom: He's found the dial destiny . He found the kingdom of the crystal skull. He's been Kali mod and lived. Well, he's the, he's, the he's the archaeologist Indiana Jones come to die the conglomerate box office would have Holly Quinn

15:15Sharebe in the lead. If we're going it that way, no you and I both know if they did a 1v1, everyone's just gonna vote for Indiana. I don't think so. If you put OG Harrison for like Raiders of the Lost Ark, harrison Ford up there, he figured out where the Ark of the Covenant was maybe people our age, but All the money's with the newer generations and the dial destiny did you say? Yeah, we're not talking about movie done. Oh, that's real back that our kids. That's not work profits. Hayden: Let's go back to Tom. It's Tom's argument where he's in a sewer. Yeah cuz. Tom: That's where it is. That's where it's happening. Where were you? You roll, that's what we got. Hayden: We're fighting in the sewer bags, the tricks you know,

15:55ShareIndiana Jones has he's got a satchel. We don't even know what's in there. How many times has Indiana Jones been seduced by a woman? Tom: every single movie, and and how many times does he had to slap him? Hayden: Yeah, but one time almost killed by every, every movie. Yeah, even the Nazi woman and he fell in love with yeah and he escaped by the skin of his teeth. I'm just saying I don't think Harley would let that happen. Tom: I don't think Harley is the kind of girl Indiana's gonna go for I. Hayden: Don't know, maybe they'll have a nice moment I, maybe she'll have some sort of archaeological thing and be like look it's, you know no, Indy has more combat experience. It's Excalibur. Tom: India's more combat experience and a plethora of

16:42Shareknowledge and resourcefulness. Harley doesn't. Hayden: Experience he's got brawling experience, not train. Tom: What's he about to do, brawl? Hayden: Yeah, well trained martial arts against a woman. Tom: Yeah, I'm just, and he's not afraid to hit her. Hayden: I don't know miss. What do you think? Mitch: I kind of got to go with Indiana Jones in this one, thank you. Just because they're in a sewer , she can't use all her acrobatic skills as much fine bitch. Hayden: Sorry, sorry, way to kill off all the women. Tom: Women here. Mitch: All right, go ahead, roll , you get to see the next one. 14, a UFC cage with no weapons. Oh, you just lost. If it had been anywhere else, you might have won. You gonna fight Wilson Fisk.

17:27ShareTom: Yeah, there's no. Mitch: Cuz he doesn't have guns, he's just got it. You know, normally a suit that's bulletproof, but that's about it. Tom: Indiana could pull some like Wesley fighting on true the giant style stuff. He can get his back and choke him out. Mitch: Wilson Fisk was beating down daredevil for a good bit. Tom: Yeah, but he didn't have to fight Indiana Jones. Yeah, Indiana can see. Okay he beat up the giant Nazi guy in the first movie. Well, you push him into a propeller, he actually have to push him. He just got knocked down and saw the blade coming up behind him, inducted. Hayden: Indiana Jones and they massive concussion. I don't think he's gonna get through this. He's in a UFC case.

18:14ShareMitch: So there's no running, there's just him and a guy that's like six foot eight and four hundred. Hayden: Yeah. Tom: Yeah. Mitch: I want one, alright. Tom: Mitch is stacking the deck early. Mitch: Was that six? Yeah, it's a six. So who? Am I fighting cat one in a hospital emergency room. Hayden: You want to go first? Tom: You want to go. Which cat woman? Hayden: I think it's the Michelle. Fly for one. Mitch: Yeah, okay, wilson fish can just like throw her around, if he can grab her she's in the emergency room. She can't go so many places. Hayden: We talking about she's. She can jump up into the corners of the ceiling and stuff like that. Mitch: Yeah, but what's she gonna do when she gets there?

19:05ShareHayden: He's gonna go. Mitch: Yeah, she's gonna attack us up. Hayden: She might get in this healing. She'll scratch his eyes and blind him. She'll strangle him with her whip. Throw him out of the window. Mitch: He gets a hold of her, he'll just grab her, just choke her till she if. Hayden: Pudge me. I think his strength versus her agility, her agility would win. Mitch: I don't know. She did get caught by the penguin, but with his little umbrella. Hayden: Yeah well, Fisk has been beaten up by all sorts of low-class superheroes not in Live action stuff, only been there and beat up by Darren. Mitch: Oh, so we're not doing ever, we're going off of what's his name. Hayden: It's his name, the dude from Full Metal Jagged 762

19:50Sharemillimeter. Tom: Oh, it's an offer. Hayden: Yeah, not for you. So based off of him. Mitch: Yeah yeah, she could take I think so yeah she's got. She got the range, the agility, and I mean he did beat up some of the ninjas from the hand and stuff. Hayden: Yeah, because they try to get in close. She wouldn't be in close she. She just whip him and strangle him with her whip. She's done that before. She did it to Batman at one point. And I'm just saying if she can get to Batman and like stab him with her cloth thingies, then she could totally do it to Fisk. This Batman would be a fisk in a heartbeat. Yeah, all right, thank you, I win. Tom: He gave a better argument. I mean you could Entirely muscle.

20:38ShareHe has like no fat, he's all muscle. Hayden: No, he's all fat. Tom: No, he's my in the comic books he's like 600 pounds, but it's all muscle. Mitch: Was it a world strongest man kind of muscle. Tom: Okay, like world strongest man's. World strongest man. Hayden: I. Mitch: Know five Tom's apartment . Tom: Me, I win. I know where everything is, so you got who am. Mitch: I fighting. Tom: Yeah, I'm fine cat woman. I have Beatrix kiddo. Mitch: So kill Bill from kill Bill. Tom: Hmm, I mean looking around. As far as the acrobatics go, you are semi-limited due to ceiling height, dangling things like ceiling fans and lights. Mitch: I haven't seen kill bills . I don't know. Tom: She's kung fu, kung fu swordsman, I mean superior

21:35Shareswordsman Okay, which gives you range, the whip is gonna cut through sword. Hayden: Does she have a sword with her? Mitch: Okay, her single sword. Tom: Yeah, if she tries to whip, she's just gonna cut through it with the sword, maybe. Mitch: Grab that sword. Tom: And and Beatrix's sword is gonna cut through that. Mitch: We don't know. Tom: We're pretty confident, mitch, we're pretty confident. Well, it's Uma Thurman, who's like six feet tall and can probably beat the crap out of her. Hayden: I think that her specialty for Uma Thurman is close-range combat still so I will say the five finger death punch. Whatever that thing is. Tom: Instant heart attack, right , and then the. Hayden: That's the kudugra for the finisher finish it, but

22:21ShareCatwoman, you know, would keep her distance. Tom: And there's only so much distance. Hayden: But she's fast, that's what I'm saying. She can get across the room real fast, you know, and she's very good at improvised weapons and stuff like this apartment. Mitch: I can get across the room real fast. Tom: She can get across from faster, she's gonna throw her an empty beer can. Hayden: She's got all your gizmos and toys and lamps. You know she'll throw your. Tom: All the power, they doesn't work. Hayden: She's not gonna morph, just saying just blunt objects to hurl at people you know, and you know. Tom: Yeah, it's Catwoman, who, I grant you, is agile and a skilled hand to hand combatant, but she's going against a

23:05Sharesuperiorly skilled swordsman who's fought 60 plus people at once and won and she. Hayden: Only she brought the sword With her. She didn't she. Why would she bring it with her ? Because the one sword soon that you're referring to, she got it in a tai chi Dojo. She never has a sword with her whenever she's running around beating people up. Tom: Then why are they doing all the sword fighting? Hayden: that's in a tai chi dojo . Tom: No, they do more later. Hayden: Yeah, when, once they go out of the dojo, that's it yeah she's coming to a fight. Tom: Spring the sword. Hayden: Well, I still think that with the whip and everything, and plus Catwoman fighting other super villains and people like I don't know, batman, she still has plenty of experience in

23:45Shareorder to deal with somebody. She's fought a lot of ninjas Sure, low class, nameless, faceless ninjas. Tom: Hey, that means I have to fight a lot of nameless people you know, I want to find nameless people. Hayden: Yeah but you're counting that as an experience and they win. You know, if I remember right in the beginning of the movie, Umu Thurman definitely didn't win. Tom: Yeah, because she had to go through her Batman moment to become trained, to become awesome. Hayden: Yeah, catwoman's Batman movement was like that, and then she became, you know, a super villain overnight. Yeah, because for walking kester and pushed her out of a window right, and so she's an expert cat burglar like, and she's really good at hiding and disguising herself.

24:21ShareTom: So yeah, but she's not here to rob, so be sure to fight. Hayden: She can use stealth or advantage, you know, distract manuder and then snap her neck. Mmm, no, I'm just saying, mitch , if you've not seen kill Bill, all right, kill Bill has got two movies. She kills a lot of people, sure , a bunch of low grunts and plebes and whatnot. Catwoman's been around forever. She can contend with Batman. Batman could definitely beat anybody, so she can do a move that makes you have your heart explode. If she's got the 30 seconds to do it, it's the most 30 seconds took forever. Tom: That's what you think it was. Done is learning it. Mitch: Feel like if kill Bill can take on a bunch of, if she can take on a bunch of ninjas at the same time, it's probably

25:09Shareyou're just saying that bitch probably more skilled. I mean because if you think about it, catwoman she's agile, but in the Michelle 5 or 1 she's never really learned any hand-to-hand stuff the internet would disagree. Hayden: But all right, go ahead. Mitch: Otherwise you get the role 19 the deck of a shield helicarrier. You're fighting black widow. Tom: Oh come on. Hayden: This is like perfect. Tom: Likewise, guys and her little study things big sword I'm a thermon, oh, shoot you she can do the real fast and deflect the bullets. Mitch: I've seen black widow beat people with swords. Tom: Personally oh. Mitch: Wrong movie Mitch no, I got me she. She takes down Captain America and a couple of fights I mean,

26:05Sharenot, they were training, but she she keeps you, contends with the, with a winter soldier and his a Super arm thing. Hayden: Mm-hmm. Tom: Yeah, but that's an arm, that's a blunter. You know object, not a sword being swung by someone who knows how to use it. Mitch: She's able to beat Hawkeye hand-to-hand, and he's Ronan, he's a sword. Tom: Did he try to use a sword then? Mitch: No, he had say he had a bow. Tom: Yeah, well sword. Mitch: She survived the comfort, those aren't known for cutting power. She survived a confrontation with the Hulk. Tom: That's true. That's because the whole didn't want to kill. You want to try to break everything apart. Mitch: Yeah, that's true. Tom: Where he runs obnoxiously fast oh, she beat a taskmaster.

26:53ShareHayden: Oh, that's true. Tom: I didn't see that movie so the black widow movie. Yeah. Mitch: Taskmaster. Basically he had a sword and then he had a shield like Captain America's and he can copy anyone's moves and she beat him how Hand-to-hand just by being unpredictable. Tom: Okay. Mitch: She's still got her study things, so she touches you with it, basically like a, an incapacitating taser. She can shoot them too. She doesn't have to like actually touch you with it. Hayden: Yeah, any rebuttals. Okay, that's fair. Mitch: All right. So the rooftops of Queens, New York, at night. Hayden: Tarzan. Well, queens, new York, right. So there's a lot of spider web playing around so. Tarzan can swing around and beat her up that way.

27:51ShareTom: Everyone knows there's a lot of vines on the rooftops in Queens Spiderwebs. Hayden: Yeah, Because there's more spiderwebs in it. Tom: Yeah just leftover. Hip-hop here. Hip-hop here. Mitch: Hip-Hop here for real. I still think Black Widow can contend and beat him. Tom: I mean she's beating superior. Tarzan fights Gorillaz. Hayden: He does fight Gorillaz. Mitch: He is, yeah, he's super strong, yeah, wins and he wins, yeah, but she's still got her weapons. Tom: Let's be real the three of us against a Gorillaz are going to lose. Mitch: Oh yeah, they're like 900 pounds, yeah, but she's still stun him A little tazer thing yeah. Hayden: I think you'd shake it off. I think it'd be OK. She's still got a pistol.

28:25ShareWell, he's used to being shot at and hunted. Tom: Yeah, but is he used to being shot? Hayden: Yeah, he got shot a couple of times. Tom: Like in the chest. Hayden: I think one time he was in the shoulder. Tom: Yeah, he got the hero shot. Hayden: Yeah, the hero shot, so that's what we get here, and then he would snap her neck. Better fall in love with her. Tom: They'd be like hold the hand thing. Mitch: Phil Collins blesses in the back right Even though he's a brutal fighter, I think that the Black Widow's got the better skill and deception. Hayden: Well, I think that it being in such a high place, with ledges and whatever to dangle off of Tarzan's a better climber and manipulator of being in high altitudes.

29:13ShareTom: Yeah, he could better traverse the environment and be sneaky about it. Hayden: Yeah, it was a jungle experience. Yeah, pulled that one on my butt All right. Mitch: Time's up to you. Tom: Any rebuttals Mitch? Mitch: I don't have nothing else . Tom: Just because of the environment, I got to give it to Tarzan. I think he could do it. I think in that environment with dark, steamy, foggy, queens , new York rooftops, he could blend in and just jump out of nowhere and be like with super strength. And then he's like lifting up her skirt. She's like just like, just going across the face. Hayden: All right, what do you got, Tom? You got to roll the dice. Spend the dice Five. Tom's apartment, tom's apartment.

30:06ShareWhat do you got, tom? Tom: Snake Plisken. Hayden: Versus Tarzan. Mitch: In this room Snake. Hayden: he has a gun Tom does live in a second-story apartment , third Third-story apartment. Tom: So it's high, yeah, but we're not outside the apartment, we're in it. Hayden: You could end up at it. Tom: What's he going to do? Hang from the ceiling Finn. Hayden: He's going to jump out the window, flip up on top of the ceiling, on top of the roof, and then and run away. Snake's going to try and figure out how to get out there and then he's going to kick him off to his death. Yeah. Tom: No, he's just going to shoot through the roof where he hears him, like he did in the movie. Hayden: No, he's too quiet.

30:43ShareHis Tarzan is stealthy. Tom: Quiet. No, it's Snake Plisken. He's showing up with a suppressed M10, and he's just going to walk in. See him go pfft and be over Nah . Hayden: He can jump out of the way. He's done it before. Tom: And then all he has to do is just hose the room and he'll hit him. Hayden: If he can dodge Buckshot , he can dodge. Mitch: I do feel like Tarzan could at least close the gap in this room before Snake could get off a bunch of shots. Tom: Yeah, and Snake is also a superially skilled hand to hand fighter. Then Tarzan, tarzan's got like two feet, like cage fight 60 pounds of muscle In New York and Los Angeles in those movies. Mitch: But, like you pointed out , tarzan does fight Silverback

31:26ShareGorillaz. Yeah, yeah, but you see in the trailer where he gets clothes lined. Tom: I didn't tell you that part he gets. Mitch: I didn't tell you that he gets stiff, armed, like he was the heistman. Hayden: He still beats him. No, he doesn't he gets the Nike's beating out of it. He eventually beats the gorilla bare hands. Tom: Yeah, because the gorilla was like already wounded and old Nah. It's like beating up an old man . Hayden: Well, that's Snake Plisken. Tom: He's only got one eye Because the other one was holding him back. He doesn't need to see that much. Hayden: Tarzan's got all his body parts. No, his eye is there. Tom: He just uses that for nighttime. He lifts it up, so his eye is already adjusted.

32:03ShareOh look at that. Like a pirate? No, and he has a way cooler name, he has better hair, he has a better outfit. Hayden: No, I don't know, man. I think that I think that, given everything, the weird environment and all that, I think I think Tarzan could do it . Tom: He surfed out of Los Angeles. Hayden: That was the dumbest part. That should be a points down for you. He rescued the president which is also kind of a weak plotline but whatever. Mitch: I mean, I still haven't heard anything that sets Plisken apart from Tarzan to me. Tom: He has guns like fully automatic ones. Mitch: Yeah, but we all know, like the whole 21 foot rule thing, that you can close that gap before they can get the gun off, because he doesn't get to start aiming at Tarzan.

32:49ShareTom: That's an average person. Hayden: This is Snake Plisken. Well, Tarzan's not an average person either. He's pretty fast. Tom: How many movies did Tarzan get One? Hayden: Well, how many remakes yeah? Tom: remakes? How many did he get? He got one movie, oh he's got it. Plisken, he got two. Hayden: He's got like six movies , and then there's like sequels no. Tom: Plisken got two of his own movies. Hayden: There's a lot of Tarzan movies Way more than Snake Plisken, I promise you. And they're even talking about doing more Tarzan movies. Tom: He even had to cage fight like Gladiator Combat the guy. Hayden: Has he had to cage? Tom: fight a gorilla. No, they didn't have one in New York at the time of the movie.

33:25ShareHayden: I guess that means that Tarzan wins. Tom: He's not fighting a gorilla . He's fighting a dude who was raised in a jungle. Hayden: Yeah, because he fought gorillas and then I was just fighting some. He wasn't going to win. He's fighting some New York hipster. All right, you can do it, he's a New York hipster. He has long hair, his gruff voice and his cigarettes. Tom: Snake Plisken, that alone, come on. He's walking in like John Wayne . He's got the look. He's got a machine gun for a pistol, he's got an eyepatch. It's Kurt Russell, it's Snake Plisken. Mitch: I still feel like Tarzan would win. Thank you, mitch Bollocks. Thank you, I don't feel like there's enough space to make the pistol matter.

34:07ShareTom: How much space do you need for guns to matter? Mitch: Yeah, but see, tarzan fights Jaguars, he's quick. Three the New York Sewers OK. And you're fighting the peacemaker, john Cena OK. Tom: Dun dun, dun, dun. Hayden: I feel like, because Tarzan's used to swampy kind of wet jungle climate that he could do well. He could hold his breath underwater a lot longer than peacemaker. He could surprise him all sorts of stuff. Mitch: Peacemaker does really good with hand-to-hand combat. I mean, granted, tarzan fought the gorilla people and stuff like that, the gorilla. Tom: The gorilla. This is just gorilla stuff. Mitch: But the peacemaker has fought the aliens that were able to burst through walls and stuff like that.

34:54ShareHayden: Yeah, but peacemaker is also going through a lot of self-loathing and issues with him about killing innocent people. And Tarzan is like a child man. He's supreme in a sense. All he wants to do is just find his path, live his life and have his gorilla family be hunted and make babies with a hot lady. Mitch: He does have his helmet on. That does the one special move, or whatever. They blow stuff up. I don't know what it does, but what peacemaker. Yeah. Hayden: I don't know, his helmet did stuff. Mitch: There's six or seven different helmets. Whichever one he's wearing, it has one special power to it, or something like that. I don't remember which one it is, but he's got his big pistol.

35:37ShareHayden: Yeah, if he can find him , but Tarzan is going to be underwater in his murky water, so you can't see him. Mitch: And he's going to, but he's already lost just because he decided to go under the water . Hayden: Jesus Christ Disgusting here with Tarzan. Mitch: Yeah, he lives, just because he chose to go underwater. Hayden: Self. He lives with gorillas. He's used to groaning nasty terrain and stuff like that. Mitch: I just feel like, hand to hand, John Cena's character peacemaker could hold his own Because, like I said, he fought all the superpowers. Hayden: Tarzan could literally hold John Cena by his throat straight up, lifting him. Tom: No, I don't know about that . I don't know about that.

36:18ShareMitch: He fought the other super powered characters, gynormous, he could take the beating. It's. Hayden: John Cena Bum, bum, bum bum Pretty sure he could win. You can fight a gorilla. Mitch: Get the big hand cannon kind of gun, here we go, wait, wait, wait. Hayden: We need you to decide. Mitch: I'm waiting for you guys to be quiet. Hayden: Well, Tarzan wins Are the arguments done. Mitch: My argument is done. Hayden: My argument is done. Peacemaker, no, come on Woo. Tom: I see, yeah, he's just going to shoot Whatever, whatever. Mitch: Six Hospital emergency room. Who am I fighting Riddick? Hmm, john Cena's bigger, and he's already beat him up in Fast and the Furious. Tom: We're not talking previous franchises, mitch.

37:08ShareObviously Riddick's going to cut the power. Mitch: John Cena's going to shoot him. Tom: Riddick fought the dude that could fight in the future oh yeah, that's right and outsmarted and killed him. That's true, not Carl Urban. He can see in the dark, he is a decent hand-to-hand combatant and he fought a guy who was fighting like five seconds in the future and was beating the crap out of him until he figured it out. Mitch: Yeah, all right, riddick, don't keep with that. Hayden: All right, well, there you go. Tom: Riddick advances. Hayden: Yep. Tom: I'm going off like sheer memory from 20 years ago. Hayden: All right, go ahead, bro . I'm going to lose 20. Mitch: Inside a home depot. Hayden: OK. Mitch: I think you have like loaded dice we get the same

37:58Sharenumber all the time. Hayden: You're fighting snake eyes. Tom: So obviously he's just going to cut the power. Mitch: Snake eyes is blind. Tom: So it doesn't even matter. Mitch: And he's a master ninja, All right sorry, Snake eyes isn't blind, he's deaf or mute or whatever. Hayden: Well, even still, he's a trained ninja. Mitch: Yeah. Hayden: So he can offer. Tom: But he can't see in the dark. He doesn't need to To the same degree. Hayden: Riddick can? He doesn't rely on his eyes. He's a ninja. It's all about all of his other systems. Mitch: He does have the tech advisor that he wears and he got past those monsters in perfect, not perfect dark. Tom: What? What's the movie with Pitch Black? Pitch Black that can like, see and mutilate people in the dark

38:40Shareand get his whole party through. Hayden: In fact, he was the only one right, or what. Keith David made it Better than that. Tom: Keith. David had blood protection. Hayden: Yeah, snake eyes is a ninja, so he's master at weapons and improvised weapons which we would find at Home Depot. He's super stealthy. Home Depot is a sprawling top tier layered shelves. Tom: Going vertically. Hayden: He can get all over the place and Riddick would never hear him. So, yeah, I feel like this is a shoe one. I feel like it's pretty easy yeah. Tom: I have to confess. Thanks, Snake. Mitch: Yeah, thank you, you have to confess what I have to confess. Tom: Snake eyes would beat the crap out of him, OK well. He doesn't have that kind of speed or training.

39:31ShareHayden: All right. Where are we fighting at 13? Mitch: African jungle. Hayden: Man, those Tarzans. Tom: Oh man, that would have been home field advantage. Mitch: All the Daniel Gregs and James Bond. Hayden: Against Snake eyes. Yeah, we done. Tom: All right, James Bond advances. Mitch: I mean James Bond's got a lot of cool tech. Hayden: What does he have? Where does he have man? He's got to watch. Tom: No, this isn't Pierce Brosnan Bond. You got correct, Bond. He has a gun and a radio. Hayden: You picked the guy that could fight hand to hand the best. Tom: Yeah, that's about it. Hayden: But you picked the ultimate a ninja. Mitch: In a jungle, in a jungle yeah. Tom: You win. Mitch: OK. Tom: All right, Snake eyes is a solid combatant.

40:17ShareHayden: Who is he fighting now, Tom? I don't know if you can roll, roll again. Tom: We're getting four. What's four? Mitch: A bamboo forest with no outside weapons. Tom: OK, ok. Mitch: So you can break the bamboo and use it, or whatever. Tom: OK, you're fighting the Punisher. Hayden: You're fighting a ninja Snake eyes. Tom: It's the Punisher. He's going to bulldoze him through the wall and beat him to death and impale him on bamboo you don't think Snake eyes is familiar with bamboo environment and how to utilize it to his advantage. Do you think the Punisher isn't familiar with literally everything? Hayden: Do you think that? Yes, he's not familiar with everything. He can't just have carp blanch to be the best so?

40:54ShareMitch: he's John Berndtahl, punisher. Hayden: And also Snake eyes, is capable of using the bamboo as like a concealment so you can get around and sneak around, quickly, whittle a stabbing bamboo, shoot. Tom: What's that noise over there? So I don't know. This is the Punisher. He has superior knowledge of hand to hand combat skills and tactics, military training throughout the Wazoo, superior tactics, because he's got a seal in the other ones and then in the Berndtahl ones I haven't seen the Berndtahl series. I don't know what is true. Mitch: He's like a special force , is he? Tom: like a green beret or something, something like that. He has superior muscle and strength advantage. Hayden: I feel like you're describing half of the qualities

41:42Sharethat Snake eyes already has. No, I'm describing John Berndtahl no because Snake eyes has military training. Tom: He has stupid ears and a giant face. What? Hayden: I'm describing John. Tom: Berndtahl Just making it a personal attack. He's a tiny forehead. He's going to beat the crap out of it. Hayden: I'm just saying no weapons at all, Because that's kind of like the Punisher's thing he has lots of guns. Tom: Hey, sometimes you just got to choke a dude out. Hayden: OK, but you're not going to do it against Snake eyes. He's going to kill you before you even know you're there. Tom: I think the Punisher has the training and know how, an experience to know where he's going to be, because he's probably going to be where he would be.

42:23ShareHayden: Who would win in a fight ? The Punisher or Daredevil, daredevil, yeah, so boom. But no, Snake eyes Not the dead Daredevil's on Tom's team. Imagine a Daredevil that can see that Snake eyes. Tom: Well, that would just be. Yeah, you have a very valid point. Mitch: I was going to say he kind of won me over when he was like, when you were describing the Punisher, you're like yeah that's half of what. Snake eyes has. I was like yeah. Hayden: Fair enough. Oh, no, no, not Go ahead roll, nope, I'm rolling, great man. Too bad, these are D&D rolls. I'm just going to get three 20s in a row, seven Trampoline Park , with no weapons. Ok, who am I fighting? Mitch: Alice from Resident Evil Ooh. Hayden: Well, who do you think is going to do better?

43:16ShareWith bouncing around and stuff like that. Mitch: I mean Alice had done pretty good. She does flips and runs up the wall and runs on top of zombies heads and all sorts of stuff. That is true, and she's quick enough to. She was able to fight and react to the liquors like the big. Tom: She has like eight movies of work. Hayden: Well, my dude's got a TV show, does he? Yeah, it's Gio Joe. Mitch: Oh well, this is the live action guy. Hayden: OK, well, he's got you know two movies or whatever, I don't know why I never watched him. But he's a ninja and I think, when it comes to acrobatics and aerial combat yeah, aerial combat he would win. Mitch: I mean Alice has she's fought bigger and superior and

44:05Sharefaster opponents of one, and granted, they might not be quite as smart, but they are pretty unkillable unless she removes her heads. She's good at that. What? Ok, killing. Hayden: So you think that she could on a trampoline instead of , just like I don't know, a mansion or whatever stupid movie she's in. You know where the aerial combat is going to be key, you know, learning how to flip. Tom: And doesn't she have like super enhancements? Mitch: Well, I didn't count those for this Because, yeah, she basically blows up a building with her mind, so I didn't count that. Just like saying it's like telekinesis, where she can like blow apart the concrete and stuff. Tom: That's so dumb she have like super speed and like

44:50Sharedurability or some crap yeah later on, like the later movies, yeah. Oh OK. Mitch: That's so stupid. She's got, like Albert Wesker, level speed and all that. Hayden: Well, snake Eyes doesn't , but I didn't count all that. Doesn't need all this extra plot nonsense to keep going. He's good as he is. Mitch: I mean, she was able to fight Nemesis hand to hand. Hayden: But not successfully, like she had to use explosions and stuff like that. Mitch: No, she fought him hand to hand and just about killed him, because in the second movie the main bad guy was making them fight to see who would get to live, and she beat him. Hayden: I don't know about that. Mitch: That seems he's all like hey, it happened in the movie,

45:29Sharecan't help it. Hayden: I still think that, even though, sure, she can fight a monster that's three times her size, but it's not all about the aerial combat, because the environment and I think you would give it to a ninja every day, Ain't that right, tom? Tom: I mean she does do a lot of aerial kind of stuff in the movies. Hayden: You're just saying that because Snake Eyes has been kicking butt so far. Tom: No, I'm saying that as impartially as I can. Hayden: He's also got swords. Mitch: No, not this. No, nobody has new weapons. Hayden: OK, well, his hands are basically swords, he has knuckle knives, I dare say Alice. All right, fine, fine, give it to the crappy Wes Anderson. Mitch: Two. Hayden: Paul Wes Anderson.

46:24ShareWho will fight? Tom: Oh, it's my turn. Mitch: Van Helsing Fightin' in a dojo with only the martial arts weapons on the walls. So, I feel like Alice Can grab the bladed weapons and outperform. Tom: Is it a full moon? Mitch: No, he can't turn into a werewolf. Tom: You see he's already trying to hand me up. Mitch: You can't turn into the werewolf. If you could turn into the werewolf, I guess mine could use the telecom. Tom: So Van Helsing is actually the Archangel Gabriel. Hayden: Archangel Gabriel. Tom: Have you not seen the film? Yes, he is the Archangel Gabriel on Earth. He killed Dracula in his original form Bye, 400 years prior to the events of the movie and didn't know it. Because he has memory loss.

47:08ShareOkay, he has uncountable years of hand-to-hand combat, is with firearms, with bladed instruments, superior knowledge of fighting techniques over hundreds of years of beating the crap out of demons and Just normal people. Hmm, it's Hugh Jackman with flowing black hair. Mitch: I think Alice I mean she's that's what she does in all the movies is fight with like swords and axes and all that stuff she's she's got the better hand-to-hand skills. Tom: Van Helsing killed Dracula, that is true, and Dr Jekyll. But then, at the Cathedral Notre Dame, he impaled him and did amazing acrobatics to have him Yeeted off of the Cathedral after he cut his arm off this week with the spinny blades kill Wesker she did, but it was her, like Chris Redfield and Claire

48:08ShareRedfield all the same time. Van Helsing didn't have any help. Mitch: All right I was I kind of agree with you, but I was an argument point. Tom: I've never rolled more natural 20s in my life. Now we know his dice are loaded , next time 17 and we done 17 the call duty rust map. Okay, who am I fighting? Hayden: I don't know mad Max, but, but is this Van Helsing from the? Yeah, it says Hugh Jackman on the thing from like, straight from like the 1600s or whatever. This says Jackman? Yeah, you Jackman. What's in the movie? So he's just transported out of time to that place. Tom: Yeah, all right or he's lived long enough to get there because he's an angel. Hayden: Mitch said he just transported out of time in that

49:00SharePlace so he's not familiar with the industrial modern compound that is rust Okay okay, he's in like late 1800s England. He's familiar with industry, but not like, like how oil fields and what not work. I feel like mad Max could use that to his advantage. Yeah. Tom: Yeah, a guy who would love to just find gas or food mad Max has lots of Guns and bullets. Hayden: That no he doesn't, he has to find it, but he has it. He's got that like shot off, shotgun stuff that he has. Tom: So he's got the automatic crossbow bolt thing and two pistols, plus the spinny blades and the holy hand grenade of Antioch. Hayden: But mad Max has weapons with more range. Tom: So, and we all know, he has two revolvers, he can quick

49:53Sharereload and has superior accuracy with the automatic crossbow thing. That's drum-fed. That's two, two, two, two, two. And he's just shooting vampires out of the sky like it's cool. Why did you pick? Hayden: this guy, he's an angel and stuff like that. Mitch: Yes, that has nothing to do with him in the movie. He's still a person. Hayden: Leave it still. I think modern weapons or more modern weapons against a crossbow even though it's drum-fed, and all that stupid Whatever science fiction stuff like this a modern weapon with range, who's gonna win? He has more than enough range for rust you think a crossbow can get from one side of the other side? Yeah faster than a like a rifle or something. Yeah.

50:34ShareTom: Have you been shot in the face like the crossbow on Ross? Well, I'm just saying if we? Hayden: went in one corner to the other corner and turned well . Tom: You can't hold buildings in the way. Yeah, we'd have to move. We figured it out. Hayden: There's a spot, this bit . Mitch: I'm just saying this I Mean, I give it to Van Helsing. Hayden: Yeah, come on. Tom: Hey, I forgot who his guy was. Mitch: It's a lot more maneuverable and fine, his is a Crossbow thing does shoot vampires out of the air, stupid. Tom: It's a great movie. Mitch: Six hospital emergency. You're fighting Raphael. This is turtle I. Tom: Mean, come on that other than his head. Mitch: He's completely vulnerable from the front and

51:25Sharehis arms. Tom: And Van Helsing cuts off people's arms. Okay, we're gonna cut off dr Jekyll's arm. Mitch: I feel it's got a size. He's a lot faster and better skilled. He's a ninja and he's impervious to but he's a turtle he's impervious to any of the arrows For the most part if you got shot in the face. Well, it's made body, or like no, it's like this. Tom: So it just covers his torso , so it doesn't cover his legs, his arms, his face. Yeah, van Helsing shooting vampires flying out of the sky, I'm pretty sure he could shoot Raphael. Go in the corner. Mitch: Yeah, raphael, just throw a sigh and break the the. Tom: No, van Helsing, we catch and throw it back at him. He has the reflexes. Mitch: Raphael has beaten up a whole host of foot soldiers all

52:20Shareby himself. Tom: All right, he took out like a castle of like vampire things , are they? Mitch: fighting again an emergency room. Hayden: Who would be more comfortable in that scenario? Tom: Van Helsing. Mitch: Well, I don't know that either. One once from the 1800s, once lives in the sewer. Hayden: So one of them knows what it is. Mitch: Yeah, Raphael. Hayden: Yeah. Tom: I'm sure Van Helsing would look around, see the gurneys and the signs and go. This is probably where they bring the sick. Hayden: I'm just saying all the contraptions and devices. Mitch: They don't have to use them to kill each other if Raphael gets the lights off, he's a ninja Right, else no, never seemed coming. Tom: He's an angel.

53:00ShareMitch: He's. That has nothing to do with him in the movie. That's just a legend. Yeah, from the movie. And and the little thing doesn't make him immortal, and it doesn't give him superpowers. Tom: He's been alive for hundreds of years. What do you call that? Okay thank you. It's called being immortal. He killed Dracula as a werewolf . You can't turn into a werewolf because this would be a ridiculous bout. He would just turn to a werewolf, rip him in half and throw him out the window and they go well. Hayden: He does have that automatic crossbow, yeah, but and pistols. Mitch: Raphael could throw it and break it with a sigh and spinny through and spinny blades because he's done that with Other people that have been shooting bow and arrows he's

53:47Sharethrown aside. Tom: He'd probably peg him in the face with holy water, thinking he was a demon. Mitch: He's thrown aside broke people's other people's bows. Tom: He doesn't have a bow. Mitch: Yeah, but he's got his crossbow. You can break it. Tom: I'm sure Van Helsing could up, could dodge it. Mitch: I don't know Raphael's ninja. He's got that super aim, you know. Tom: And he's Van Helsing. He stomps out demons. Mitch: All right. What do you think, tom? What do you think I think? Hayden: I think it is a rigged character so it's hard to defeat him. So I gotta give it to Van Helsing. Thank you, okay. Tom: Yeah. Hayden: All right. Where are we fighting, Tom? Mitch: I think the deck of a shield helicarrier.

54:32ShareHayden: But whatever, all right, you're fighting Rick Deckard. Tom: Come on. Well how's this a fight? Mitch: Okay, my only argument you, he's got guns. Hayden: Yeah, he's got guns, so does Van Helsing, and he's from the future. So this knife in a human, that's arguable, and so the this is like a super advanced technology, you know for even like you're on a helicarrier. So there's, it's a big open, like it's like a flying aircraft carrier Right and so Deckard could probably figure out how to maneuver it and use that to his advantage to get the trick Helsing into falling off. He understands how like engines and stuff like that technology works. Tom: Helsing couldn't give him to fall into fighting on the

55:16Sharedeck of it. Hayden: They're not going up To spin wheels, which is surrounded by giant turbines and like fast-moving blades. Tom: No, the fight's just happening on the deck. There's some boxes, maybe. Hayden: no, there's some ducking and dodging there's on the side of the aircraft carrier, there's these giant turbines. Tom: I know there's giant turbines on the edge. Hayden: You could use that to his advantage. Mitch: There's also jets and stuff on the top. Tom: So what? It's? Hayden: just covering concealment now Deckard could figure out how to use all that stuff. Tom: Okay, he's just gonna look at the deck like, and you'd be like, oh, look at this harrier jet, sit and look at the controls. They might a second ago.

55:53ShareHayden: Okay, I know how this works and take off vertically you know, is that a manipulate computer systems and like space oriented things to try and find people, and you know hack technology and whatnot to try and catch. Tom: That just sounds like a little bull. Hayden: That's true. Have you you've seen the movie? I haven't, actually haven't seen the first blade runner, you should, and that's how he does, that's how we rolls, uses technology and that's nothing but technology, and on that the whole pad or whatever that things go. Tom: Yeah, but they're not gonna . It's a fight. He's not gonna have time doing this while van Helsing is shooting at him and trying to get close. Hayden: I've got a gun to keep him busy.

56:31ShareWell, until he gets the technology. Tom: Well, also being shot at by someone who's a with a crossbow good marksman with an automatic one. Hayden: Okay, how about an automatic pistol? Tom: He's got pistols to he has two of them. Are they automatic? No, but he shoots fast. Hayden: Oh okay, as opposed to an automatic pistol. He shoots fast enough. It should be automatic that cards, pistols, armor piercings. Tom: And if he gets through cover and if he gets close enough, he's gonna saw his head off, but he's got to get close enough and he rolled, he would and he can he has the agility to fight vampires, I'm pretty sure he could take out Harrison Ford in a suit. Hayden: Does he have the ability to fight Superhuman enhanced

57:11Shareandroids? Tom: He fights superhuman and supernatural humans. Yeah, well, I'm just saying the superhuman androids and advanced technology does that card display moments of Amazing, you know, enhanced movement and strength. Hayden: He's able to fight people that have that and use technology to his advantage to defeat them. Tom: But he can't outright overpower them. Hayden: That's why he uses technology. And what are we fighting on again, mitch, can you tell me one more time? Shoot. Tom: Okay, there you go, the deck of the carrier which is probably empty and everything's tied down, because they're taking off, because they say that the movie you're just you're just coming up with more terrain, features and rules for

57:50Shareyourself. Hayden: Is that how we're doing this? Tom: I'm just saying Dakar is not gonna have a chance to try to do anything when this guy's trying to actively kill him. Hayden: How? Tom: things too far out of his, out of his, out of his doesn't care about being out of, he's just there to kill him. Hayden: Yeah, that's it. But is that of his element surrounded by technology? Tom: He's not looking, inspecting, see what things are. Mitch: I do feel like with Decker having an automatic pistol that has our Repair seat, that'd be pretty substantial, because it's you mean it's not gonna be a close fight if. Hayden: Thank you. Tom: Mitch, you're just mad. No, thank you, mitch. Mitch: Yeah, you have to crossbows and stuff, but he has

58:33Shareactual pistols. That shoot bullets, revolvers. I mean how many bullets you got ? Tom: He's got 12, and he also reloads obnoxiously fast, because the whole cylinder drops as dumb. Hayden: This character needs to die. Moving on. Mitch: I mean, I do feel like Decker with a futuristic pistol could shoot from a distance. Tom: So could he Move it on with two of them. Hayden: He's dead. Scratch him off. I who my fight. Mitch Crow helps him. For no reason. Can he die? Yeah, only if you know how to kill him. Well, okay, which you only gotta do one thing but. Alright, where are we fighting Number two? Mitch: Dojo with martial arts weapons on the wall. Well Deccard dies Alright. Hayden: Mitch. He is an investigator.

59:27ShareHis specialty is finding out people's weaknesses and using it against them. Mitch: So the crew is really good with bladed weapons like swords and knives. Hayden: Yeah, he's really good at throwing knives. Deccard's really good at getting his butt kicked. So, yeah, alright the crow. I really just wanted stupid Van Helsing to die. Tom: Moving on, just mad Van Helsing was doing so well. Hayden: It was like an way overpowered character for all this 16. Mitch: On an oil tanker at sea at night. Tom: Okay, I have Selene from Underworld. Hayden: Huh. It was a vampire, you picked another one. Who's that? Mitch: But really in the movie she doesn't do anything other than she's a vampire, but she's just really good at shooting and

1:00:16Sharefighting. Tom: She's good at the things that she needs to be for this contest. Mitch: What I'm saying is she's not breaking down chains and walls and stuff like that. She's not super powerful for this Oil what Oil rig? Basically, it's on an oil tanker at night. Tom: Yeah, alright, like an ocean yeah. Mitch: Like a floating oil tanker. Tom: Skills aside, early 2000s, kate Beckinsale and tight black leather. Yeah, yeah, let's be honest. I mean, what is the crow With blue eyes? Mitch: He's a superior hand-to-hand combatant with weapons and bladed weapons and he has healing powers where he can only die one certain way. But I'm not telling you. Tom: She's fighting werewolves and vampires on the reg.

1:01:02ShareHayden: So he's essentially like a weird vampire. Mitch: If he gets shot, he just heals right back, like, just like he gets shot in the hand. There's a hole in his hand and he just laughs at the guy and looks through it. Hayden: He's just a weird emo bard. That's essentially all he is, yeah. Mitch: But he can't die unless you know how to kill it. Tom: Okay, she kills werewolves and vampires. I'm sure she'll figure it out. Hayden: How do you kill him? Mitch: I don't want to tell you. No, you gotta. If you kill the crow, then it becomes human. Hayden: No, the crow that's around. Tom: So you just kill him twice. Hayden: No, the bird oh. Mitch: Yeah, there's an actual crow that stays within range.

1:01:41ShareTom: I'm sure, that's a horrible attribute to have. Mitch: I'm sure she could figure that out. That's why you don't tell people your weakness. Tom: I'm sure she could figure that out. Mitch: Because if you kill him, then he basically becomes human again. Tom: Because why on earth would there be a crow on an oil tanker in the middle of the ocean? They don't fly out there. That's well beyond their pattern. That's a good point. K back and sales a smart woman. Hayden: I'll give it to you, okay. Tom: I was like my, it was like K back and sale and type black. He's just like. Hayden: I don't know, bitch. How about we do nine? How about we do like three more ? Tom: Okay, do we want to do like a lightning round of our three

1:02:24Shareperceived best. Mitch: Yeah, yeah, cross off, just leave your last three that you want. Hayden: Okay, I think it's kind of funny to do that, guy. Tom: I think I'm going to leave it. Did you cross off, jamie Lannister? Mitch: No, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tom: Oh, we never got to do the Jamie Lannister, aragorn fight Aragorn. Hayden: One of the other. All right, I want that one too. Darn it, my powerhouses are in the end. Yeah, that was the point. We should have just started at 10. All right, you're up. Where are we fighting? Tom: It's 14. What's 14? Mitch: UFC cage with no weapons. Tom: Bane. Hayden: Batman. Tom: Come on, Come on Wait wait, which Batman? Mitch: Who did you just have? Tom: I had Bane.

1:03:16ShareMitch: You know you were using some. Tom: I thought we were jumping to the top three. Mitch: Oh, I just picked, okay, whatever. Tom: I'm jumping to my, the premium Okay Group. Hayden: Well, Batman has beaten Bane in hand to hand combat. Tom: And Bane has dislocated his vertebra. Hayden: And Batman came back stronger, better and beat him. He beat him. So there you go. That's, that's not. They're fighting in a cage, this is a cage fight with no, no weapons? Tom: Yeah, so this is just pure one-on-one hand to hand combat strength. Hayden: Right and Batman has won . Come on, it's been in the movie . It has happened, that's bogs Cause he. Tom: You have one fight where he gets the floor mops with him

1:03:56Shareand then he comes back. And then he comes back from like his eighties montage workout and just keeps punching him in the mask. Bane's smart he. He saw the movie, he knows what he's going to do. He's not letting that happen twice. Hayden: If there's anybody who can beat Bane, it's Batman. Tom: You literally in a cage fight with a lunatic who's twice as strong as everybody else and it's punching through concrete. Hayden: Right, but Batman's not all about strength. He's got agility, speed, dexterity, all that stuff. So it is Bane, but not as much as Batman does. And in the intelligence factor, batman's able to learn and overcome. Tom: Bane also has genius level intellect for, like, making bombs and stuff.

1:04:33ShareNo, he's the first one who figured out Bruce Wayne was Batman. Hayden: He's not going to figure out the world's greatest detective against Bane. When it comes to figuring out their martial weaknesses, I give it the Batman. Tom: Look, there's a story history of Bane beating the crap out of Batman. Hayden: Yeah, and it's going to happen in that cage, but that's only the first half of the story . Tom: Batman's about to have brain damage. Well, Bane is located in broken bones. Hayden: Well, Bane's about to die, no he's not. Bane doesn't kill. Bane's about to be taken out. No. Tom: I mean Batman is going to try to send him to the hospital, Bane's sending him into the next life. Mitch: They both won one fight, but one won the fight on

1:05:18Sharesurprise Because, like Batman, showed up and didn't know he was there for a fight. Yeah, bane. Yeah, he didn't know it was a trap. Tom: And then it's really the same card on the other side. No, they knew because Bane wasn't expecting Batman to be there. Mitch: True. Tom: But now you're putting that , knowing they're going to beat the snot out of each other so close In a cage. So close. Bane's superior combat prowess in a cage. No, no. Turning off lights, no, disappearing, no, you're a rage in the darkness. You know, chokeouts. It's just you got nowhere to go . It's Batman. Batman has nowhere to run. Hayden: We know, it's just going to be a beating. If you say Bane wins, you're spitting in the face of DC.

1:06:12ShareMitch: Well, I have to say that when they both saw each other and came into each other head on , Batman did win yeah. Tom: Bane was surprised. Mitch: He was even there because he thought he was going to be there and they just went head to head fighting each other. Tom: Yeah, and Batman saw him. Hayden: when he saw him in the first fight, he was like oh, after Bane, after Batman fought a whole bunch of people to get to Bane. Tom: Look, you got to beat up henchmen to get to the boss fight. Hayden: Yeah, but not Bane. Never had to fight anybody. Tom: He was fighting all those people in that crowd. They were snapping necks, they're cops, they were henchmen , they were good henchmen. I think Batman wins.

1:06:51ShareMitch: No, especially when it's the bell Batman that beat Bane yeah. Tom: You should have put a different Batman. I did Mine. This is just going to be Batman versus Batman. Hayden: All right, Mitch, what do you got 13. Mitch: An African jungle. You're fighting the T-800. Ok. Hayden: I think Batman can do it . He can figure it out. Mitch: What is Bill Batman going to do to stop? Tom: No. Hayden: He's going to have a Terminator he's going to call Lucius Fox and have him hack into him. Mitch: He doesn't get Lucius Fox in a system of hacking. Hayden: He's got bombs and batarangs and all sorts of stuff . He's going to find a weakness somewhere, some core to snap, and he's going to yank it. Yeah, he can do it.

1:07:36ShareMitch: I mean there's no really, it's also in the swamp. No, in an African jungle. Hayden: Jungle, where it's really wet. You know, get into his robot system. Tom: He might get rusty. Yeah, it's. Mitch: Arnold, I mean, you know he could. Just I mean I don't know where Batman's going to run to. Hayden: He doesn't need to. He's going to take him out. He's going to drop a tree on him or something. Tom: Yeah, I mean, I don't think Batman is carrying any explosives that are leasel. He's always got explosives. Hayden: It's enough to like change the terrain to whatever he needs that kind of explosives . I don't know if anything. Yeah, like I mean, if you think of it this way, batman's always trying to not kill people.

1:08:13ShareThis is a robot. He doesn't care, he'll kill it. Imagine Batman on that is a good point. Tom: That is a very valid point. Mitch: I mean the Terminator has been hit by cars and still coming after people. Hayden: It's a car. He hasn't been hit by a Batman. Tom: I want that as a shirt. He's been hit by a car. He hasn't been hit by a Batman. Mitch: I just don't see what Batman has, because, like he's struggling to fight in pain. I don't see what he's going to do to actually hurt the Terminator, that batarang that makes electricity happen. Hayden: He could hit the thing in the eye with it. You know fry his like visual abilities. Tom: Well, Batman probably doesn't know. It's a robot. I think he figured out pretty quick.

1:08:57ShareHe's a world's greatest detective. Hayden: He could definitely figure it out pretty quick when he walks like this and he's like I need your shoes, your clothes . Tom: And your motorcycle. Yeah, exactly, and your sunglasses. Mitch: See, I think Batman would take it easy because he doesn't want to kill and he wouldn't know it's a robot off the bat, which would be his downfall. He would go up to punch him or something like that, and then Terminator would just grab him and just I think once he punched him he'd be like this is a robot. When he heard clunk, he'd punch through the thing and he goes ah, gosh, ooh my hip. Tom: Ah, it's a robot under him. Hayden: I mean he's punched Superman before he knows what

1:09:32Shareit's like to hit something that's superhuman, you would tell, and then you'd figure it out. If he can figure out and devise plans to kill Superman, well, this Batman has never encountered Superman. Okay well even still, if he can defeat all, these superheroes that's going across. Tom: I've ruled. Hayden: This is the Terminator. What You're just saying? That because you've lost. Tom: No, it's the Terminator. Batman is not going to beat it to you. Mitch: All right, we're going to the inside of. It's a small world ride on Disney World. Tom: It's a small world. Mitch: David Dunn. Oh, that's the guy from Unbreakable Okay who's? Tom: like impervious to literally everything. He could drown and super Well.

1:10:18ShareHayden: Is a small world, a water ride. Mitch: It is oh crap. Yeah, you set the little boats with your float lock. Tom: And isn't he have like super strength? Mitch: I mean yeah, he was like bench pressing 400 pounds. Hayden: That's a lot. It's a lot, Tom T800, yeah. Tom: I mean, I feel like those kinds of punches that's going to do more than Batman punches. Mitch: I don't think so. Tom: Plus the imperviousness of David Dunn's character. Hayden: He died in a bucket, like literally only his head was in it, only his face. Yeah, it's a whole ride. Tom: I'm not going to get. I'm not going to get best like the water weakness. Mitch: So go ahead, just call it , call it. He dives to the song of children.

1:11:11ShareHayden: All right, he's a small world. Tom: You got a role. What is it 16. Have we done that one? Mitch: Yeah, that's all Okay. Tom: Hey, I want to 16. 18. Have we done 18? The Gulag Okay. Hayden: Another one, just pick one, and we haven't picked one. Tom: One. What's number one? Mitch: Batman Forever Batcave, oh man. Hayden: That'd be perfect for Batman versus Bane. Let's do Winter Soldier, okay. All right yeah that's a fight right there. He's got a robot arm, I guess robot. I feel like he could do it. Mitch: The T800 is just going to use his guns to shoot at him and take his clothes and his boots and his multi-cycle. He's got like an Oozie or something like that. He's always got some kind of gun or a shotgun.

1:11:59ShareWho? Hayden: do you think is going to figure out all the devices in Batman's cave first? Mitch: I mean, you know, the Terminator can hack into it. He can hack into it. Tom: He's from the future and like a scanning thing. Yeah, he can scan it. Hayden: I think the Winter Soldier could figure it out too. He could be like look at all these guns. This is a robot. Tom: Why is a guy so dedicated to not killing people have all these firearms? Hayden: He's got you know the jet and the Batmobile that he could run him over with. Tom: Well go, You're not master press. Hayden: Alfred just kills them both. Mitch: Terminator could grab the Bat or the Bat motorcycle and just like swing it and hit him with it.

1:12:37ShareHayden: Okay, he's been used to. He's been beaten up by the Hulk and stuff. He can take it. But, unless he catches it with his arm, his super robot arm and stuff like that which is what? What is it called? What's that material called again, Adamantium, Adamantium yeah. Or is it what's the? Tom: It's a Vibranium. Yeah, it's a Vibranium, Sorry yeah. Hayden: So you know all the fights and punches that he takes . It doesn't mean anything. It doesn't like recoil back into the T T 800. Mitch: No, it's basically negates the hit on that spot. Hayden: All right, and then let me ask you this Every time a Terminator has died, it's been in some form of, like industrial complex machinery death. What is the Batcave?

1:13:18ShareTom: There's all sorts of. There's not like a huge hydraulic press or a pit of lava in there. Hayden: There probably is. You know there's pits of bats, and if he's got the technology to make like giant vehicles and stuff like that, I'm sure he could kill them in something like that. So, yeah, yeah, come on the winner soldier, he would totally do it. Tom: So I think the winner soldier actually would be the T 800. I don't think he'd be the T 1000. That's why I didn't include him . But yeah, the T 1000s will too. Mitch: And I was gonna say if I was arguing, arguing on Hayden's behalf, I would have said well, he could just knock him off on one of the mini platforms. Tom: Yeah, he could literally just fall to his death, punch it

1:14:01ShareBecause that that that arms going right through it. Hayden: Yeah, cool. Who am I fighting? Tom Boba Fett, all right. And where are we fighting? Doesn't match at 15? . Inside it's a small world ride at Disney World, all right. So that means it's a cave, right. So, you can't really fly around and stuff like that. Mitch: And there's not a whole lot of space to move. Tom: And my question is the winter soldier known to be flame retardant. Hayden: I mean, he is a super soldier, but is he? Tom: flame retardant. Hayden: Well, there is a water, there's a lot of water. So if he's not in the water, though, OK, but he is in the water we're going to do now? Tom: I mean shoot the rocket out of the backpack.

1:14:49ShareHayden: He's survived exploding helicopters and stuff. He's fine. Tom: He fell off a rocket into ceiling, open up ceiling, grappling hook you, fly you out and then drop you from a tremendous height You're not going to survive from. Hayden: Why would the ceiling not fall on him? Tom: Because I'm going to shoot at an angle away from me so it falls over there. Hayden: So he's a super soldier. Tom: He can just and then when you resurface. I'm just going to go. Hayden: And then you're saying that he's going to be able to lift him, he's going to yank him back down, he's got into his own death. No, he's going to yank bubble fat down. Tom: Now, if he's not expecting to go flying into the air, he's got super strength, he can do that.

1:15:25ShareHe has super strength in one appendage. Hayden: No, he's a super soldier . Tom: They don't show him as having like the Captain America stuff going on with the rest of the stuff it's more of a ninja because he's all set in the press. When he has, like, the no arm, he's just walking around like, picking up berries and stuff and putting them in a bucket. Mitch: He's typically some kind of gun to. Hayden: Boba Fett has a blaster. Mitch: Yeah, I'm saying he's got . Hayden: But we've seen Star Wars . Okay, the blaster versus real bullets, come on. But it's Boba Fett, okay. Mitch: Bullets and we're only counting Boba Fett on screen, not video games and all that. Tom: All right, mandalorian Boba Fett, where he stomps his foot

1:16:07Shareand the things shoot out of his knee and kill people. Hayden: Things should have his knee. I don't remember that. Tom: It's part of his armor. When he gets the armor back and Mandalorian, Well, he's got guns with grenade launchers. Also he can try to hide. He's just going to do the and find him and target him. Hayden: Okay. Tom: And then just shoot a rocket and explode him through the wall and then kill him, not necessarily. Hayden: He's still, he's been blown up, he's not going to. Tom: Yeah, but not by Boba Fett. Hayden: The Star Wars rockets aren't magical and better. Tom: This is a person who beat Jedi to death. Hayden: Which one Jedi, not the movie. Tom: Well, he got cheap shot in the. Hayden: Yeah, he got.

1:16:47ShareHe got actually beat up by Han Solo. He beat up Mando he beat up a lot of people. Tom: He's blowing up ships full of stormtroopers. There's still regular people. Hayden: This is a super soldier with a robot arm and an M4 with a grenade launcher A 203 attachment grenade launcher. So whatever rockets you can shoot, he can shoot them faster and he doesn't have to. All it takes is just loading up another one Instead of like oh, I've lost my rocket, backpack thing, I don't know. That's the end of it. Tom: This is someone who hunts. This is the most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy. Hayden: I don't think so. Not the super soldier of Russia . The winner's older literally hunted people and took out a

1:17:25Shareprevious Black Panther. Tom: Yeah, you know what he was amateur hour on a small planet. This dude was a galactic menace On a small planet. Hayden: Is Earth considered a small planet in the MCU? Tom: I mean Earth is considered a small planet by our solar system staters. Hayden: Quick change of the subject Tom. Mitch: He did fight Iron man. Tom: This dude's like evil, killing people, Iron man with a suit and years and years of being. He's the genetic clone template of Django Fett, the dude they templated the entire army on. Hayden: And how many of those guys died and how great is their aiming? Tom: Their aiming was way better than normal stormtroopers. The clones, the normal clones in the movies aren't the same

1:18:12Shareclones as that. Hayden: Well, anyways, they died like a lot. Tom: That's because they opened it to everybody to join the stormtrooper corps. They phased out the clones from the Clone Wars, but they still, because they were aging. Hayden: Even at the end of the Clone Wars and during episode three, they were down a lot. Tom: Hey, they took down all the Jedi, though. Hayden: Well, vader, more took down all. Tom: No, you saw, in the movie Vader doesn't kill like three Jedi on screen. The clones took out everyone else. Mitch: Okay, well, both I didn't kill. Did he kill anybody on screen other than just like nameless people? Hayden: Uh, that's a good question, I mean they'll be fake . Tom: There's a lot of people in the shows.

1:18:50ShareHayden: The only thing he did was capture Han Solo, and even then I was more like Vader captured Han Solo, so I don't think that he's got to like to stand on the movies. Tom: Don't do Boba Fett, boba Fett, a lot of justice. Boba Fett in the expanded lures is a far more intimidating person to deal with. Mitch: If you included Winter Soldier's comic book feats, then , yeah, most of these people would lose. Tom: I mean if you include, like Boba Fett, stuff like he's beaten Jedi to death. Hayden: Okay, yeah, I still think a Winter Soldier has it. He's got the superpowers, he's got the technology. Yep, he's got the experience weaponry because we can go off of his from the comic books where he's got all sorts of like

1:19:35Sharerocket launchers and lasers and all sorts of stuff in there too , you know, and it's vibrating him, so he shoots a rocket at it and he catches it with his arm. Mitch: Actually I could do that. Hayden: Yeah. Tom: Why wouldn't he? I mean surely Boba Fett would figure that and just blow up the ceiling above him and he's only got one rocket on that we know of. We don't know if there's more. Hayden: We've never seen him reloaded after he shoots it. Tom: We never seen him shoot it in the movie. Mitch: It doesn't really shoot. Exactly, it's just there for I got to give it to Winter Soldier . Thank you, it based off the live action stuff. Hayden: Alright, I met you in my fight. This is your last guy, by the way.

1:20:08ShareMitch: Nope, I have one more after this one, jesus. Hayden: Or back at one. Mitch: That means that's not good for you. Oh, what is it? Ben Affleck's Batman? Oh yeah, ben Affleck Batman. He's got grapple hook and, like I guess, batarangs. That's about it. He's in the other bat cave for the other person. It's kind of hard to argue when our judge is not here. Yeah. Hayden: Well, I think that you know. Even still, it's a super soldier, you know. So what would Ben Affleck's Batman do? I mean, he has survived fighting Superman. Mitch: He had the power and armor, but he was still fighting a super leveled much higher than the winter soldier. Hayden: But he doesn't know who this guy is. He doesn't know if he has superpowers.

1:21:00ShareMitch: True, but he wasn't able to, even though he couldn't full on fight. Hayden: I don't think Batman would immediately fight a disabled war veteran, which would be kind of messed up. Mitch: This Batman kills remember. Hayden: Yeah, but he's a disabled war veteran. He would thank him for his service and then he'd get punched in the teeth. Mitch: Yeah well, he doesn't know. He's a war veteran, he does. Hayden: He's missing an arm. Mitch: You know he has his arm. He has an arm. Hayden: He has an arm. It's a robot arm, okay, but he lost. It's a prosthetic, you know. So in you know this World War two veteran. I mean imagine the press Batman murders a World War two disabled veteran billionaire playboy, exactly.

1:21:39ShareThat'd be so bad so. Mitch: I just think this Batman was he's brutal enough that he would be able to take him on. Hayden: Sure, but you know, I don't know, I have to give it to Winter Soldier. Mitch: So all right, who am I fighting? Hayden: next what? Mitch: I just got it. No, no, no, that's not how this works. Hayden: I mean, yeah, it's in the Batcave. What else can I do? Mitch: But it's not Ben Ethelix Batcave, so he was taught to figure it out. Hayden: Oh, what are all these buttons? Whose Batcave is it? It's. Mitch: Batman Forever Batcave. So it's a Valkyrie. Hayden: So it's just like you push a button and, like you know , confetti pops out Got the giant penny. Tom: Why is there a big T-Rex?

1:22:24ShareWhy is this here? Mitch: This Batman was able to outmaneuver and avoid Doomsday. So he's quick, he's fast on his feet. Hayden: I'm just saying who do you think would win? Doomsday or Thanos? Tom: Probably doomsday. Mitch: If Thanos doesn't have the gauntlet and all that stuff. Hayden: Yeah, Winter Soldier fought him with the gauntlet. He's lost Yep, but he still fought him Yep. He's like I don't feel good. Then his arm just went. Tom: I don't feel so good. Mr Stark, I hear you pick which Batman. This is Ben Affleck. Batman versus the Winter Soldier. Mitch: Yeah, now he's not wearing the powered armor, but he has survived fighting Superman. He's fought the Parademons. Hayden: I just think that he will never recover from the

1:23:10Sharepress ripping him apart for killing a disabled war veteran. All right, that is such a lame idea. Tom: That is such a lame. Mitch: And we're in the Batman forever back. He fought Nazis, so it's an unsubmitted. This Batman is willing to kill everything. Hayden: Everything in the Batman forever cave is just nonsense and shoe mokker stuff. Tom: It doesn't make sense. A big penny. It just it's. Why is it there? Mitch: But the environment is still the same. It's still a dark cave. Tom: Yeah. Mitch: It can still use. It is a. Tom: I feel like Batman has a tactical advantage just on location. All right, Just be, I'm not done. But when the struggle became a hand to hand, fight I mean this Batman has fought Superman hand to hand.

1:24:01ShareLook, if you, yeah, but he knew he wasn't going to win and he fought him in a powered suit after, like making him inhale kryptonite. Mitch: Well, yeah. Tom: I mean he did level the playing field. Mitch: Well, yeah, of course. The, but there was no winning if you did both of them, their hand to hand combat expertise are pretty much on par, and he does have the little equipment that remember, he shoots it out and it disables everyone's weapons. Maybe it could like like scoot and disable the guys arm. Hayden: Well I come. That didn't work for when Batman fight the T 800. Mitch: Cause your Batman didn't say he had that what? Tom: I'm going to say when her soldier probably took that one. Mitch: Yay, I look, I'm just trying.

1:24:42ShareTom: The big fight out. So I've been forwarded Erick Orn versus Jamie Lannister. Oh, because I had Erick Orn and Mitch at Jamie Lannister. Hayden: All right, I still have two. How many you have left, tom? That's it, I'm done. Oh all right, go ahead, captain America versus the way. Tom: it's all right, it was fun. Hayden is a good ride. Hayden: Let's see where they're fighting first. All right, does it matter to do Joe with martial arts? Mitch: weapons on the wall. Hayden: I think, when her soldiers more trained and martial arts weapons than Captain America is. Mitch: I think Captain America is a superior hand to hand fighter because he has the full super soldier serum, so he's faster, stronger, but is he more trained in martial arts weapons

1:25:21Share? Hayden: No, he's not, he's fully trained in everything Not in martial, not in random ninja stuff that winter soldier has. I mean, I still think he can, I think it's like the one environment that he could beat him in Shut up. Tom: Which is like stop making sense. Mitch: He's an assassin, that it's a dojo filled with assassin weapons, I mean the one thing that Captain America has over a winter soldier is his super soldier. Serum was more effective, so he is stronger and faster Like he. I mean he punched the what you call it punch a bag and like knocked it off the wall. Hayden: Yeah, okay, but we've seen Captain America and Winter Soldier fight. It was pretty equal for a while , until Captain America one.

1:26:09ShareNow imagine the playing field is they don't have anything except for Bucky's arm and all the weapons that assassins use in a dojo. I feel like the scale tips more towards winter soldier now, and that right time Does he have the shield. Tom: No, because we all the shields, not a weapon. Only the weapon, only only the martial arts weapons on the walls, only thing they can bring . I don't know. It is Captain America, though, and doesn't he beat up Bucky a couple of times? Mitch: He does a couple of times , but then there's other times where Bucky even helped Thanos's hands in place so he couldn't snap when he had all six infinity stones. Hayden: Are you trying? Tom: to help me. I'm trying to justify it to myself because I don't see Bucky

1:27:01Sharebeating. Hayden: Captain America Talking about the assassin room filled with assassin weapons? Tom: Yeah, but we've seen the litany of people attempt to kill Captain America and he just sidesteps, dodges. He's too fast for him. Hayden: And Captain America doesn't want to kill Bucky to begin with, so Bucky wants to kill Captain America. That's like the one person on this list that could probably kill Captain America just because of their relationship. And I picked the perfect, the perfect environment was selected for this the vein in his forehead is sticking out because you're being stupid. Tom: He does make a point about all the weaponry. You have to decide. It is a tough decision to make. Hayden: I think it's like no contest here.

1:27:54ShareI think it's what it is Dead of here, but, Bucky doesn't quit trying to Pull a reason why I don't win out of your butt. Tom: I mean, I think we're just going to have to get what's his face? Sebastian standing Chris has just beat up each other in the parking lot and see what happens . Hayden: It's like three feet taller than Sebastian stand, if you know them personally. Mitch: Just have them call in and let them tell us. Tom: Have them justify to Right, yeah exactly I would, or soldier probably win that. Mitch: I would agree with you. I just don't want to say that. Hayden: My last guy I was going to pick was going to be judge dread or be from data. Mitch: So I've kept it America. The only other two that I scratched off are the three that

1:28:39ShareI scratched off or arrow, Hawkeye and John Wick. Tom: I still had Aragorn Daredevil, conan the Barbarian, shredder the Witcher and Johnny Cage. Hayden: The Witcher would have been good because he's got magic spells and stuff. It could be. Mitch: Shredder would have been pretty good too, because he was able to hold his own against all four turtles at the same time. Tom: Daredevil probably would have been good. Johnny Cage would have been good. Hayden: All right, what do I get , mitch, I'll take it. Tom: But Aragorn would have be Jammy Lannister. Hayden: Yeah, okay, let's find out where they would have fought 20 inside a home depot. Tom: They would both would be like where are? Hayden: Is there any place that we didn't use all of them?

1:29:18ShareYeah, there was a Roman Cathedral. Oh man, world War One trenches. Yeah, emperor's throne room at the desk. There's always cool places we didn't use my fault. Tom: What a good role. Stupid dice. I know I have problems when we play D&D. All right. Hayden: All right, well, that was fun. And this is this. Is it right? It for the year? Tom: Yeah, Well, except for the yeah, yeah. Hayden: The compilation but for my recording, for the time being , this will probably be the last to be here from me hating until we. I figure out what's happening in Iraq when I get there and you know what else can I sort everything out. Yeah, I mean, I'm just a little bit of a microphone and whatnot Sort out this world.

1:30:00ShareSo, in the meantime, mention Tom good luck, Carry on and get it through a year. That's all you got to do. I believe in you, you know we're going down with the ship. If the podcast crashes and burns by the time we get back, I will blame you entirely. Mitch: It's all Hayden's fault, cause it didn't show up. Tom: I'm sure I'll have some crazy punishment. How many episodes of punishments is going to take you a year just to watch? Mitch: We won't even do trivia, we'll just let him do a punishment review every episode, he just deals with it. Hayden: All right. Well, good bye for me, hayden, for a long time, but in the meantime, goodbye shortly for Mitch, and time Get back swing. Tom: So I'm not referring to all типos, but peri.